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brontoraptor
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All religions should be taught in school as mythology.

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Started: 6/28/2016 Category: Religion
Updated: 7 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Innkeep

Pro

Round 1 Acceptance
Round 2 Argument
Round 3 Closing

Thank you and may the best argument win.
brontoraptor

Con

I accept. Good luck.
Debate Round No. 1
Innkeep

Pro

I will start by stating that religions being taught in school is beneficial for the youth in ultimately deciding their own faith or lack there of individually. To teach all religions would broaden ones knowledge on their own beliefs and that of others. To understand not only ones position but also that of the opposition.

The reason I would classify it as being mythology is to accredit no religion as purely superior to the other religions. Religions over the eras have fallen into this category after the loss of its hold over its own followers or subjects. Now to define mythology as "a collection of myths, especially one belonging to a particular religious or cultural tradition." -dictionary.com. Religion is to be considered myth if there is no substantial evidence to verify its claims.

I have seen many use, for example, the bible as evidence of its own claims. This is a flawed way of providing substantial evidence. You can not have a singular codex make claims and also validate itself.

Thank you and may the best arguments win.
brontoraptor

Con

Mythology-

Pro:

-"Religion is to be considered myth if there is no substantial evidence to verify its claims."

-"Religions being taught in school is beneficial for the youth in ultimately deciding their own faith or lack there of individually."

-"The reason I would classify it as being mythology is to accredit no religion as purely superior to the other religions."

Then Atheism needs to be taught as mythology. The overwhelming majority consider Atheism as a myth. So if Atheism is not taught as "mythology", we have pandered to one particular religious sect.

84% of the world claims a particular religion. 76% of Americans claim Christianity, and this stat excludes other American religious demographics.

http://m.washingtontimes.com...

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The key ingredient that has given power and authority has been "Darwinian theory". It has never been witnessed, measured, or tested. It does not meet the bare minimum of qualifications under the Scientific Method, thus it is a myth by Pro's own definition. So Darwinian Evolution must be taught as a myth if it is taught in schools. And if Creationism is true, it is not a myth, making atheism a myth by default.

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Creationism is a valid hypothesis for how we came to be. It simply states that an intelligent designer created our reality. With virtual reality and Matrix theory, this is not only coceivable, but a realistic possibility.

James Gates, Science Adviser to Barack Obama states that the equations used to describe the universe in super symmetry are binary computer code. Specifically, it is Block Linear Dual Self Error Correcting Computer Code. Our reality is described mathematically in terms of computer programming software.

http://theawakenment.com...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

https://www.sott.net...

http://www.novaspivack.com...

http://humansarefree.com...

And if any single civilization anywhere created simulations of reality, eventually their simulated realities would create simulated realities, and by probability alone, the odds are that you are in a simulated reality as opposed to a real reality. In other words, simulated realities well outnumber real realities, so you most likely are in a simulation rather than in reality itself.

http://www.newyorker.com...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

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The Big Bang theory with relativity is described as a tiny point that exploded into light particles and expanded out. This is how all Abrahamic faiths believed it happened for thousands of years, per Genesis and a myriad of verses describing the heavens as being stretched out or stretching outwards. Job also describes Earth as hanging upon nothing.

https://www.amazon.com...

http://www.timesofisrael.com...

http://www.foxnews.com...

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Pro:
"Religion is to be considered myth if there is no substantial evidence to verify its claims."

This includes Atheism.

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I have already given heavy reason to believe what the Bible has to say in past debates. Calling it mythology is the most incorrect word one could use to describe it.

http://www.debate.org...

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76% of Americans are Christians. To call their belief "mythology" is an insult to the majority and a blatant disregard for the democratic concept of "majority rules".

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Without any plausable atheist explanations for what caused the Big Bang, atheism holds no high ground on Creationism. As a matter of fact, evidence is showing more and more that Atheism is possibly the greatest mythological creation ever conceived by mortal man to control man.

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Atheism has pulled a reversal. It has become the new religion trying to assert control over the minds of men. It has blocked any concepts that refute scientific theories as a means of power and control.

https://itsnobody.wordpress.com...

http://mileswmathis.com...

http://www.deism.com...
Debate Round No. 2
Innkeep

Pro

"Then Atheism needs to be taught as mythology. The overwhelming majority consider Atheism as a myth. So if Atheism is not taught as "mythology", we have pandered to one particular religious sect."

First I would like to address the misconception that atheism is a religion. To denounce something is not to be something. Atheism is the disbelief in a God or Gods, not the belief in no God or Gods. This is a huge syntax fraud.

"The key ingredient that has given power and authority has been "Darwinian theory". It has never been witnessed, measured, or tested. It does not meet the bare minimum of qualifications under the Scientific Method, thus it is a myth by Pro's own definition. So Darwinian Evolution must be taught as a myth if it is taught in schools."

Here, again you are confusing and combining unlike terms. Atheism is not associated with evolution.

" And if Creationism is true, it is not a myth, making atheism a myth by default."

This is insinuating a false dichotomy between ideas. There are more than two options opposing each other in this scenario. Atheism or the lack of belief is not a belief system, however the negation of such systems.

Now back on topic, for my conclusion I once again state that all religions be taught in schools under the subject of Mythology. I argue that all religions are "a collection of myths, especially belonging to a particular religious or cultural tradition."

Thank you and may the best arguments win.
Innkeep
brontoraptor

Con

Pro:
"First I would like to address the misconception that atheism is a religion. To denounce something is not to be something."

It doesn't matter. Each individual atheist has a belief construct that consists of many beliefs that have triggered the "lack of belief". Not adhering to a "named religion" doesn't make one non-religious. Everyone is religious in some way. Some atheists believe in darwinian evolution, which is unproven. That is a faith based belief that has led to disbelief in God for many Atheists. For the next Atheist some other belief hasled to unbelief in God, but it all constructed by beliefs. I can say I have a "lack of belief that God does not exist", but it's meaningless white noise and a twisting of words. Atheism by definition is the full rejection of a scientific hypothesis, which is a "religious" stance and dogmatic by definition. Agnosticism is no defined stance. Atheists are not Agnostics. Atheism rejects a hypothesis by dogmatic motive, rejecting creationism even when evidence is provided. If there is a God, atheism is mythology. Since we cannot prove either definitively, atheism must fall under "mythology", being that it is unproveable and there are proofs that infer that the opposite is correct or possible

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Pro:
"all religions are "a collection of myths."

Religion being belief systems that cannot be definitively proven, which includes Atheism.

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Pro:
"Atheism or the lack of belief is not a belief system."

Okay. Christianity is not a belief system. It is the "lack of belief that God does not exist..."
See how belittling I sound? We now cannot declare it a myth since it is simply a lack of belief...

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Pro:
"To denounce something is not to be something."

Fine. I denounce atheism. I'm not anything. Therefore it's a false dichotomy to say my denouncing of pr lack of belief in Atheism is "mythology".

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"This is a huge syntax fraud."

Then so is calling our "lack of belief that God doesn't exist" a religion, belief, or mythology. All Christians have at least mild differences in these lack of beliefs, so we are just like Atheists. We aren't claiming God exists. We just doubt that He doesn't.

And in reality, if lack of belief cannot be called mythology neither can our lack of belief in something.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by brontoraptor 7 months ago
brontoraptor
@Freddy

Evolution or Darwinian evolution? There's a big difference. Variation within kind is real, but doesn't make you anything other than your kind. Bacteria have changes per survival of the fittest but never become non-bacteria. They can even variste back to the original bacteria by the same process. Humans do it. This is why we have Asians, Arabs, Caucasians, and Africans. But never do we see humans grow a tail then pass it to its offspring then to another line of offspring then to another offspring. Darwinism has never been witnessed or proven. Even Darwin considered the fossil record his enemy. Even Richard Dawkins began saying we don't needthe fossil record to prove darwinism because the fossil record kills Darwinian theory. Evolution? Yes. Darwinism? Fairytale.
Posted by whiteflame 7 months ago
whiteflame
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Posted by grreeder105 7 months ago
grreeder105
You do know that Charles Darwin at the end said their had to be a creator.
Posted by FreddyFazbearAndFriends 7 months ago
FreddyFazbearAndFriends
Con wrongly assumes that atheism is a religion, all people are religious, and that evolution is a whack-a-doodle theory dreamed up by a crackpot rather than a scientific theory with a hell of a lot more evidence to support it than creationism. Saying evolution isn't real is the equivalent of saying gravity isn't real. Just because it's a theory doesn't mean it isn't right, especially with all the evidence. And don't ask, "What evidence?" Look it up. Or do your own experiments. Hell, pick up a history book. Notice how animals back then look different now? Evolution.
Posted by vi_spex 7 months ago
vi_spex
mythology class xD
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