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Allah is not the God of the Bible

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Started: 6/8/2016 Category: Religion
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The differences between the God of the Bible and Allah are numerous and to claim that they are actually the same God is unreasonable.

"The word 'Allah' no matter the origin pre Muhammad is understood in the Islamic context today as the Quranic deity. It is not a word that depicts the Trinitarian Yahweh-Elohim(Lord God) of the Bible. It is wrong for any translation of the Bible in any language to use this word 'Allah' to refer to the God of the Bible. Doing so brings confusion and ambiguity between what the Bible teaches as the Trinitarian monotheistic God with that of the 'Allah' of the Quran. It cannot be considered as a mere argument over semantics for Christians of the protestant/evangelical variety. To use 'Allah' synonymously in reference to the Biblical deity is both confusing for the Muslims and Christians as to which God one is referring to as it is poles apart theologically."


(Matthew 24:14)

And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come...


Allah is the god mentioned in Revelation.

1)A great "false" antichrist prophet will arise denouncing Jesus as the Son of God.

2)This prophet will set up a graven image to be bowed to or the result is death.

3)He will empower a false God who will literally be decpared to be God in the temple of God and does not accept that Jesus is the Son of God.

4)His followers behead Christians.

5)His followers will make up 1/4 of the world and live and spread "by the sword".

6)His followers will kill those who will not submit to him or bow to the image.


(Matthew 24:14)

And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.


(Revelation 13:15)

...Cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.

Islam commands death to those who will not submit to Islam. Many who would not submit have been killed.


(Revelation 20:4)

I saw the souls of those who had been BEHEADED because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not WORSHIPED the beast or its IMAGE.

-Alton Nolen, Muslim, attacked a woman at a Vaughan Foods processing plant in Moore, Oklahoma. He cut her head off with a large knife. It was found that he had tried to attempt to convert 2 women to Islam with no success. He cut one's head off in a sawing motion and was in the proccess of beheading the other when security shot him.

"ISIS beheads Christians"

(Quran 8:12) says that Allah will "terrorize unbelievers" and Muslims are to behead them.

(Quran 2:191) Fight and kill unbelievers until “religion is Allah’s,” until Islamic law rules all of the Earth.


(Leviticus 26:1)

"'Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved STONE in your land to BOW DOWN before it.'"

The Bible says the false prophet sets up an image to the beast that is bowed down to.

Muslims bow to the Kaaba stone. Video-

Who set up the sacred stone? Prophet Muhammed.

If you want to see the exact graven image that Muslims bow down to, this link has pictures-


What is "Antichrist"?

-Denounces Jesus as Christ, the "Son of God".

-A spirit

-Claims to be God

-Sets himself up in the temple.

(1 John 4:3)

But every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of antichrist who you have heard is coming.

(1 John 2:22)

Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such is the antichrist, denying the Father and the Son.

(2 Thessalonians 2:4)

He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.


The Dome of the Rock, formerly the Jewish Temple of Solomon, housed on the "Temple Mount", has been turned into an "antichrist" monument, the residence of Allah, and it renounces Christ as the "Son of God".

Part of the Inscription on the Dome of the Rock:

"Far be it removed from His transcendent majesty that He should have a son."

"Whoso disbelieveth the revelations of Allah will find that lo! God is swift at reckoning!"

Here is a link with the full inscription-


Followers of Antichrist come to try to dominate Earth by conquest in the Bible.

(Quran 2:191) Fight and kill unbelievers until “religion is Allah’s,” until Islamic law rules all of the Earth.

(Revelation 6:8)

"...was given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by the SWORD."

Islam has 1.7 billion adherants, a fourth of the Earth.


This is the "Verse of the sword" in the Quran, commanding Muslims to kill the nonMuslims.


One of the key symbols of Islam is the sword or crossed swords.


A god mentioned in the Bible-

(2Corinthians 4:4)

"Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded them."


(Revelation 12:9)

And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the DECEIVER of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

(Quran 3:54)

"Allah is the great deceiver."
Debate Round No. 1


It seems we agree that Allah is not the God of the Bible. However, I do disagree with a few comments you made.

I saw the souls of those who had been BEHEADED because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not WORSHIPED the beast or its IMAGE.

To say this refer to Islam is not a very logical assumption. Islam, as you quote, are beheading people now. There is no beast or image that was set up that must be worshipped now as dictated by a world leader who is ruling now. The passage obviously refers to some future event. Although it is not considered ethical to behead people today, it was however practiced by many nations (for example Japan) long before Islam arrived on the scene. The French are usually credited with perfecting the art of beheading, if you can call it an art. To behead someone is not enough to make the connection you are making because there is too many other things that do not fit the verse referred too.

You said that Allah is the god mentioned in revelation, but that does not fit in with who the Antichrist is. The antichrist is a man who will sit in the temple and proclaim himself to be god and force everyone to bow down to him as god. Allah is already proclaimed to be god.

I am not sure if you hold to the view that the Antichrist will be a Muslim. Someone gave me a dvd of someone called Walid Shoebat (not sure if its spelled correct). I watched it and disagree with the conclusion that the Antichrist is Islam or an Islamic person.


"There is no beast or image that was set up that must be worshipped now as dictated by a world leader who is ruling now."


Want to see what is behind the throne of the Pope?

(Picture of the Pope's throne)


(2 Corinthians 4:4)
"The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God."

Why keep your eye on Islam?


The Beast of the Earth, in Muslim belief, will be one of the signs of the coming of the Last Day. This creature will appear after the sun arises in the west.

"And when the Word is fulfilled against them (the unjust), we shall produce from the earth a beast to (face) them: He will speak to them, for that mankind did not believe with assurance in Our Signs."

— Qur'an, sura 27 (An-Naml), ayat 82

"It will destroy the nose of every unbeliever with the rod, and

write the word "Kafir" on his forehead; it will adorn the face of every believer and write the word "Mu'min" (true believer) on his forehead."

(Al-Naml 27.82)

Ibn 'Abbas, al-Hasan and Qutadah



(Revelation 13:1)
Then I saw another beast come up out of the earth. He had two horns like those of a lamb..voice of a dragon.

(Revelation 13:6)
"It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads."


In the hadith (Sahih-Al-Bukhari Bk 73; Num 224) Mohammed said, “The most awful name in Allah’s sight on the Day of Resurrection, will be (that of) a man calling himself Malik Al-Amlak (the King of Kings).”



(Revelation 19:16)
"On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: King of Kings and lord of lords."

Let us describe who Muslims would follow to the death if he showed?

In Islamic eschatology, the Mahdi ("guided one") is the prophesied redeemer of Islam who will come to rule the entire world as a religious leader.

"Jesus Christ, Jehovah, Allah. These are all names employed to describe an entity that is distinctly the same across the world. For centuries, blood has been needlessly shed because of the desire to segregate our faiths. This, however, should be the very concept which unites us as people, as nations, and as a world bound by faith. Together, we can bring about an unprecedented age of peace, all we need to achieve such a state is respect each others beliefs, for we are all children of God regardless of the name we choose to address him by. We can accomplish miraculous things in the world by merging our faiths, and the time for such a movement is now. No longer shall we slaughter our neighbors over differences in reference to their God.”

-Pope Francis

The Pope of Rome has said that Christians and Muslims worship the same god.

(John 14:6)
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

(1 John 2:22)
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist, denying the Father and the Son.

(Quran 9:30)
The Jews call 'Uzair a son of God, and the Christians call Jesus the son of God, the Christ. That is a saying from their mouth. Allah's curse be on them!"

Same god?

So who was Muhammed and where did he get his "revelation"?

"Muhammad’s mental condition was a matter of concern since his childhood. His wet nurse thought he was demon possessed."

(Sira, Ibn Hisham)

When she (Muhammad’s mother) asked if I feared a demon possessed him, I replied that I did.
(Sira, Ibn Hisham p.60)

(After being left by the demon) (Bukhari 1.1.3)
"Muhammad was so horrified that he ran to his wife Khadija and said: Cover me! Cover me!"

In Tafsir, Al-Qurtubi wrote: “A Demon in the form of an Angel”
(referencing Muhammed's guest)

"The demon is the friend of the prophets and he is the one who went to the Prophet (pbuh) in the form of the angel."

(Al-Qurtubi 242/19 /)
"By the demon called the White One, he was referring to the one that used to come to the Prophet (pbuh) in the form of the angel) wanting to seduce him."

Muhammad himself feared that a demonic figure had appeared to him.
(Al-Sirat al-Halabiya, by Al-Halabi, v.1, p. 377)

Muhammad admittedly received a message from Satan and delivered it to the people…as if it were from God.
(Qur’an 53:19-20, 17:73-75, 22:52-53)
(Tafsir al-Tabari 664/18)

"Arouse with your seductive voice whomever you can from among them."
(Quran 17:64)

"Then leave Me alone with such as reject this Message: By degrees shall We punish them from directions they perceive not."
(Quran 68:44)

Satan, the deceiver of the whole world...
(Revelation 12:9)
Debate Round No. 2


The Bible states that the man of sin or Antichrist will not regard the God of his fathers. If he is a Muslim that means that he will deny Allah and therefore he will have nothing to do with Islam.

Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.



Might it look something like this?

He's a "Christian"...

He's "peaceful"...

"And in his estate shall stand up a person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the government: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries."

(Daniel 11:21)

He won the Nobel Peace Prize before actually doing anything...

"I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars."

(Revelation 3:9)

"He will attack the mightiest fortresses with the help of a foreign god and will greatly honor those who acknowledge him."

(Daniel 11:39)

He mocks God and the Sermon on the Mount-

"He's a Jew"-

He honors a foreign god of war-

He's an Atheist?

He's Covering up crosses-

-"President Obama is no doubt looking for something of enough grandeur to reflect his opinion of himself, and rumors are floating back from the Middle East that he is sounding out Democrats, Republicans and friends of the United Nations in the United States to help him get the job of secretary-general of the U.N. Ban Ki-Moon’s term expires this year and Mr. Obama is said to think he’s just the man to succeed him."

"I'm really good at killing people."

Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by kwagga_la 2 years ago
Who is the US that created?
Genesis 1: 26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;

Colossians 1:16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities"all things have been created by Him and for Him.

The Holy Spirit?
Psalm 104:30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.

The Father?
1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

(Isaiah 44:24 Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, "I, the Lord, am the maker of all things, stretching out the heavens by Myself, and spreading out the earth all alone."
Posted by brontoraptor 2 years ago
Trinity, Old Testament?

Isaiah 9:6
Posted by kwagga_la 2 years ago
The Jews wait for the Messiah to come. If they believed that the Messiah already came then they would likely have accepted the Trinity concept.

Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Psalm 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.
7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Posted by kwagga_la 2 years ago
@ssadi 1 John 5:7 (KJV) 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

That's the definition of the word Trinity.
Posted by brontoraptor 2 years ago
The Trinity is Biblical.

Besides. If you traveled back in time and picked up your 10 year old and 5 year old self are you 3 beings or 3 persons? It's not a hard concept. If God wants to walk the same line as His creation, looks like He found a good way.
Posted by Just-Call-Me-PK 2 years ago
Matthew 28:19, 2 Corinthians 13:14, 1Peter 1:1-2, Romans 14:17-18; 15:16, 1 Corinthians 2:2-5, 6:11, 12:4-6, 2 Corinthians 1:21-22, Galatians 4:6, Ephesians 2:18-22, 3:14-19, Ephesians 4:4-6, Colossians 1:6-8, 1Thessalonians 1:3-5, 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14, Titus 3:4-6.

Even though there are several passages related to the trinity it is worth mentioning that the word 'bible' is not found in the bible. Also no where in the bible does it say that everything has to come from the bible.
Posted by ssadi 2 years ago
If Trinity was Biblical, then Jews would obviously know and accept it.. contrary to your claim that Trinity is mentioned all over the Bible starting from Genesis..
Posted by ssadi 2 years ago
Because it is a man made doctrine by Church..
Posted by kwagga_la 2 years ago
@ssadi Why is the Trinity not biblical?
Posted by ssadi 2 years ago
Trinity is not Biblical!
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