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MasturDbtor
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Riversidegirl4life
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Allow Lesbian Marriage But Ban Gay Male Marriage

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Started: 1/29/2012 Category: Politics
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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MasturDbtor

Pro

Men are on average more promiscuous than women, more ready to cheat, and more open to pursuing open marriages. This also results in a higher risk of disease such as HIV/AIDS in males. This risk naturally amplifies when you have two men together. This should not be a relationship-style that the government should give recognition to in terms of marriage.
However, lesbians both being women tend to be more faithful together in a relationship and have less risk of passing HIV/AIDS. Allowing and approving of lesbian marriages will mean less HIV/AIDS and less girls getting pregnant before marriage.
Furthermore not allowing two men to marry each other but allowing two women to marry each other means men will have to work harder to get a woman. This would lead to more respect for women and their position in our society.
Riversidegirl4life

Con

Rebuttal of first point:
Your first point expresses how having two men in a relationship amplifies the chances of the spread of HIV? This does not make sense. Lets say, for the sake of this argument, that Man 1 has HIV . Man 1 is in a relationship with Man 2. Say, he gives HIV to Man 2. How would disallowing these men to get married change this in any way? If anything, it could drive the men apart and encourage them to find new sexual partners, therefore spreading HIV. At least with marriage, people have a sanctuary that they can contain themselves in rather than finding new partners. On this point, I would just like to express how sex between women is almost as likely to spread STDs.
You stated, " lesbians both being women tend to be more faithful together in a relationship and have less risk of passing HIV/AIDS" this again does not make sense. If they are faithful, they are less likely to find other sexual partners, which is ture, but wouldn't it just be a lot more sensible to promote testing for HIV, as done with straight couples, than ban a large amount of people to marry? If this is the case then we should prevent straight couples from marrying too! (see how this makes no sense?)

Another point you raised is, "Allowing and approving of lesbian marriages will mean less HIV/AIDS and less girls getting pregnant before marriage" This is also fundamentally wrong. I beleive you are suggesting that if lesbian women can marry, there is less chance of them going off and having sex with men and getting pregnant. This is illogical. If lesbian women arent allowed to marry, they will still be lesbian! It's not like "Oh, we cant get married. Now suddenly I'm attracted to men again!"
Like if a straight man was denied marriage to women, he wouldn't seek out a gay lifestyle. It makes no sense.

Your final point, "allowing two women to marry each other means men will have to work harder to get a woman. This would lead to more respect for women and their position in our society." is also wrong, for a similar point to your last one. You suggest that without lesbian marriage, men wouldn't have to work as hard to get a women, because... more women will be available!? They won't. They'll still be lesbians, whether they are allowed to marry or not.

I look forward to your future arguments.
Debate Round No. 1
MasturDbtor

Pro

Con is ignoring the factor of bisexuals. Yes some people will prefer gay or lesbian relationship whether they can get married or not, but a sizeable number of people are bisexual. Wanting the benefits of marriage bisexual people can swayed into making a choice one way or the other about which sex to get married to.

By banning two men from getting married a good portion of men who are attracted to both men and women may choose in the end to settle down with a woman, because that way he will be able to get married.

Similarly, if two women are allowed to get married then that option means more bisexual women choosing to eventually settle down and get married to a woman.

And social approval of lesbian relationships but not of gay male relationships through the institution of marriage will have a trickle down effect on sexual relationships. Because it will be more socially acceptable bisexual men through their lives will be more likely to side towards women, eventually perhaps excluding men from sexual relations entirely and settling on a woman. Whereas promoting lesbian relationships means more bisexual women will feel comfortable more often having sexual relations with women being more likely to eventually marry one.

With people, both male and female more likely to pursue women it will be harder for a man to get a woman, and as a result men will treat women with more respect.
Riversidegirl4life

Con

I believe that it's just best to let everyone marry, regardless of their sex. At the end of the day, is it better to have a possibility of a few women being more respected, or the definite fact that people who love eachother can celebrate that in marriage? It only makes sense, and although you have some loosely explained, poorly cited sources, the advantages of letting people of the same sex marry clearly outweigh the disadvantages. It is all very well to consider this disadvantages of gay men marrying, but the advantages are massive! A whole group of people who have been so thoroughly mocked and discriminated against in the past will finally become more respected.
Debate Round No. 2
MasturDbtor

Pro

MasturDbtor forfeited this round.
Riversidegirl4life

Con

Thanks for your arguments.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by mongeese 5 years ago
mongeese
I see no reason why a person can't choose to tackle both issues at once. This will be an interesting debate, I'm sure.
Posted by 16kadams 5 years ago
16kadams
omg it's one or the other, not both in one resolution, make 2 debates: one saying allow lesbian marriage, the other being ban gay marriage
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