Allowing Refugees from Syria is an all around bad idea
Debate Rounds (5)
In order to win this debate my opponent must effectively nullify my claim that Syrian refugees are bent on carrying out ISIS's plan as well as other Muslim extremist groups' plan of implementing Sharia Law everywhere.
I will go into greater detail as I argue against my opponent's claims
Republican presidential hopefuls Jeb Bush and Ted Cruz acknowledge that there are Christian Syrians separate from Muslim Syrians by virtue that they propose that only Christian Syrians should be allowed in as refugees ( although HOW they are to be vetted as true Christians is beyond me. Quoting bible verses ? Kissing a cross ? )
According to the CIA World Factbook, People and Society : Syria, the Christian communities of Syria comprises about 10% of the population. They spring from two great traditions. One, Roman Catholicism and Protestantism were introduced by missionaries and a small number of Syrians members of Western denominations. The vast majority, on the other hand, belong to the Eastern communions, which have existed in Syria since the earliest days of Christianity.
Christian Syrians (as well as the few remaining Jews in the country) engage in every aspect of Syrian life. Following in the traditions of Paul, who practiced his preaching and ministry in the marketplace, Syrian Christians are participants in the economy, the academic, scientific, engineering, arts, and intellectual life, entertainment, and the politics of Syria. Many Syrian Christians are public sector and private sector managers and directors, while some are local administrators, members of Parliament, and ministers in the government. A number of Syrian Christians are also officers in the armed forces of Syria. They have preferred to mix in with Muslims rather than form all-Christian units and brigades, and fought alongside their Muslim compatriots against Israeli forces in the various Arab-Israeli conflicts of the 20th century. In addition to their daily work, Syrian Christians also participate in volunteer activities in the less developed areas of Syria. As a result, Syrian Christians are generally viewed by other Syrians, even moderate and liberal Muslim Syrians, as an asset to the larger community.
Now lets define Muslim RADICALS as 1) those who say the 9/11 attack was "completely justified," 2) those that say that they hate America, want to impose Sharia law on all of humanity, support suicide bombings and violent acts as a justified means, and oppose equal rights for women 3) those that publicly lead or are members of an internationally recognized terrorist organizations 4) those that intended to or wish to join said terrorist organizations.
By those definitions the number of RADICAL Muslims would only be about 15-20% out of a Muslim population of 2.08 BILLION equaling to about one RADICAL out of every 400 MILLION. That almost the same odds if you had a worldwide Megabuck lottery and won yourself a terrorist.
Still not liking the odds ?
-Create jobs by beefing up the vetting process. Have more employees combing through social media history, faxing papers to countries/cities of origin, ext.
- Have refugees first stay quarantined off shore on recommissioned tankers and decommissioned battleships till their documents and identify is verified and vetted. People live year round on cruise ships now a days. Use refugee resource funds to pay for sanitation, food, maintenance of the vessel, and medical, same as if you were giving to a refugee camp or charity. If a terrorist is mixed in the bunch, their acts of terror will be limited to the ship they occupy and with a better vetting process will more likely be caught unless they feel like taking their chances in the open ocean.
- Terrorist are more likely to fly in on a tourist/work visa immediately then wait 6months to a year or longer to go through the refugee process, upping their chances of being eventually found out as time passed. And It would be easier to hit European countries which are on the same continent and " within walking distance " by hiding in the SEA of 4 MILLION fleeing the country rather then the small stream of 2-5,000 the US government is planning to take in. It not worth the hassle, time, or risks.
- and the US government is planning to only allow 2 - 5,000 Syrian refugee to enter the US - thereby further limiting the probabilities of a terrorist sneaking in by the odds alone.
I fear I cannot.
However his arguments DO infact have some gaping holes. I can acknowledge that not all Syrians are Muslim. But with a crappy vetting process, or no vetting process at all, how do we know this for sure? More specifically, how do we know that the refugees coming into America are not Muslim? If we are to say, "they are Muslim, so what?" then how do we know they are not radicalized? WE DON'T. nd since Glorious Leader Obama refuses to vet these combat aged men (where are the widows and children he has spoken about? The vast majority are combat aged men), it's better to be safe than sorry.
Let me ask my opponent a personal question. Going through your profile, I could not gauge whether you were, Jewish, Christian, Atheist etc. I could not gauge whether you were straight or gay. Let's assume then. Let's assume you are either Jewish, Christian or Atheist. Here is the question I would like to ask:
1. Do you enjoy your Judaism, Christianity, or Atheism?
If you answer yes, then under Sharia Law you would be in danger if you did not convert to Islam.
How does this tie in to the refugees? Simple. We simply do not know what these people want. Do they have an agenda? Possibly. When you look at the Koran, you see that it is VERY evident that it calls for the Islamification of the whole world. And by violent means if necessary. If these refugees were all Christian, there would be no argument, but we cannot take any chances. Not in a post 9/11 world
I would like to point out the story of Ronnie Smith. I knew Ronnie. He was a deacon in my church. I did not know him well, but I have talked to him on a few occasions. About two years ago, he and his wife and son were living in Lybia as he taught I belive it was physics. One day he was out for his morning run when he was gunned down. We don't know if these attackers were radicalized or what. Is that a risk we want to take on our own soil?
Also, regarding Sharia Law, my opponent does not seem to know what this entails. I'll let radical Muslim cleric, Adjem Choundry speak for me in this link
Finally, Must we forget about Paris and my home town of San Bernardino?  At least in the case of the San Bernardino tragedy, we know the shooters were radicalized before coming to America.
I ask again, is this a something we want to risk with the refugees, with no vetting process?
I apologize for any spelling errors, my keybord is horribly messed up
America is a land of immigrants and refugees. Only the Native Americans are technically true Americans cause they are NATIVE to America. The Irish fled the Potato Famine and majority of early spanish explorers and solders were from the poorest regions of that county and sought their fortunes in the New World. The Chinese, Cubans Russians,Vietnamese, and North Koreans fled Communism, from countries that we were at war with, countries that were actively killing and threatening our nation, yet they were allowed in. What guarantee did we have that they were not terrorist ?
Polish, Austrian, Hungarian, German, ect , Jews or not, fled persecution and the aftermath of war torn Europe before, during, and after WW1 and 2. Although we did impose harsh policies, particularly against American Germans and Japanses, even going so far as to create our own concentration camps of American citizens, those policies were written out of fear and the attitude of why take the chance, same as you. Those policies were repealed and now are condemned for going against the spirit of America.
Your interpretation of the Koran as calling for the Islamification of the whole world can also be said of the Bible, calling for the Christianication of the world.
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
Declare his glory among the nations, his marvelous works among all the peoples!
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
ECT, ECT. These verses instruct followers to go forth and spread Christianity to all and those that reject your way shall be judged.
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."
The Bible is written that ...
Psalm 22:26-28 " "all the families of the nations will bow down"
Psalm 77:14 " "you display your power among the peoples"
Psalm 102:15 " "The nations will fear the name of the LORD, all the kings of the earth will revere your glory."
Christians and Muslims have one glaring thing in common: they are both "people of the book" and therefor have an obligation to spread the Word as part of their faith and journey into heaven"to get these Holy Books into the hands and hearts of as many people as they can, any way they can, and to not be undetermined.
verb 1.lead or take part in an energetic and organized campaign concerning a social, political, or religious issue
"he crusaded against gambling in the 1950s"
noun 1.a medieval military expedition, one of a series made by Europeans to recover the Holy Land from the Muslims in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries
campaign, fight, do battle, battle, take up arms, ...
Though we associate the word Crusade with the latter noun definition, that is because European english dominates most other languages, it was lead by Europeans, and many educational texts use the event as a rally point for Christianity's suppose fight for justice against the barbaric Muslims. Both sides have waged crusades against each other in the name of spreading their version of God and his way of life, gaining new territories and resources and riches.
Islam gained its first foothold in continental Europe in 711 with the Umayyad conquest of Hispania. They advanced into France but were defeated by the Franks at the Battle of Tours. Over the centuries the Umayyads were gradually driven south and in 1492 the Moorish Emirate of Granada surrendered to Ferdinand V and Isabella. Muslim civilians were expelled from Spain and by 1614 none remained in Spain. Following the Muslim conquest of Persia, Islam for the first time penetrated into regions that would later become part of Russia. The Ottoman Empire spread into Europe, taking huge portions of the Byzantine Empire in the 14th and 15th centuries. Over time, the Ottoman Empire also gradually lost almost all of its European territories, until the empire collapsed in 1922.
The Christian Crusades were military campaigns sanctioned by the Pope. In 1095, Byzantine Emperor Alexios I sent an ambassador from Constantinople to Pope Urban II in Italy asking for military support against the eastward migrating Turks. The Pope responded by calling Catholic soldiers to join the First Crusade. The 1st goal was to guarantee pilgrims access to the holy sites in the Holy Land that were under Muslim control and were and still are felt by Christians to be their right under God. The churches long-range goal was to reunite the Eastern and Western branches of Christendom after their split in 1054, with the pope as head of a united church, including gaining new lands & riches, thus leading to a 200 year bloody struggle.
BOTH sides committed murder, abuse, & acts that would be considered terrorism in the name of spreading their faith in the past. Modern Muslim and Christians are more accommodating and leave the judgement of which faith is correct to God at death, an largely have a to each their own attitude unless you actively try and undermine or criminalize their faith. Radicalization is fueled by many factors not just by BEING Muslim OR being Christian, as that you can be a radicalized Christian as proven by the Crusades.
Radical CHRISTIAN can be divined as those that 1) say killing those that practice or speak against THEIR defined Christian values, or follow a faith not Christian is "completely justified," 2) those that say that they hate any religion not Christian, want to impose Christian Biblical law and values on all of humanity, support bombings, harassment's, and violent acts as a justified means 3) those that publicly lead or are members of an organization or church that follows the formentioned 4) those that intend to or wish to join said organizations or churches
The majority of Syrian refugee are fleeing the civil war between the Alawite following Bashar Hafez al-Assad lead government & his opposition, and ISIS and Al-qaeda scrambling for power and territory in order to spread their RADICAL interpretation of the Koran and Sharia Law. They have lost their homes, ability to get their basic needs such as food and water meet, and are constantly in fear of dying. Radical Syrians are more likely to STAY in Syrian, join these terrorist groups and the fight there to gain power in Syria and the region rather then walk millions of miles on foot as a refugee with little food, water, or guarantee of survival at journeys end. Terrorist attack in foreign countries is more about spreading fear & propaganda so that those and other countries are afraid to invade, wage real troops on the ground war against them because they believe in their RADICAL minds that if the infidel countries do, ALL other Muslim countries would rally with them in support of Islam.
Banning a certain religion is a slippery slope & a bit hypocritical as we condemn other religions and countries that criminalize and ban Christianity. Saying its about national security is a cop out if we take proper precautions & a smoke screen shrouding the GOP/Republicans agenda of imposing/speading Christian values worldwide as the Bible orders them too as part of their way into heaven.
1. The 9/11 attackers blended in REALLY well for YEARS before they did what they did. It is asinine to assume that Islamic Syrian Refugees are automatically peaceful just because Supreme Leader Obama says so. This is the same thing that happened in WW2. Nazis came over to infiltrate America and join flight schools. They mastered various accents so no one would know theywere German. We figured out who they were by the way they held their cigarettes. How do we know Syrian refugees are not out to harm us? We don't. Shall we really wait until it is too late?
2. Christianification and Islamifcation are RADICALLY different. There is absolutely no comoparison. Islamification calls for forcible conversion or death. In rare cases, if murder does not happen to those who do not convert to Islam,they are forced to pay a special tax. Islam calls for rape of women, Islam or not. Isam calls for gays to be jailed or murdered. Christianity does none of this. Even in the scriptures quoted, there is no call to violence
3. A simple understanding of the teachings of the bible shows that so-called "Radical Christians" do not actually represent Christianity. As stated above, Islam is vastly different.
4. There were four different crusades. about three of them were defensive on the Christians' part
1) So by your view then wouldn't it be better to round up all immigrants & American citizens, born or naturalized, that we has a beef with, now & in the past, put them in concentrations camps to be deported & also bar those from those countries for FEAR of the POSSIBILITY they MIGHT be sleeper agents/spies cause it happened a FEW occasions in the PAST? Even those who have been here generations cause MAYBE they are just so dedicated/patient that they are waiting till the heat dies down to strike, bidding their time and stockpiling weapons and explosives ( lack of gun control ?) Even those countries that we are now on friendly terms w/ because MAYBE there are still elements/organizations within that still view us as an enemy, RIGHT ? Then we need to round up& ban the : GERMANS, ITALIANS, JAPANESE, POLISH, KOREAN, CUBANS, SPANISH, FRENCH, ENGLISH, NATIVE AMERICANS, MOROCCANS, ALGERIANS, GREEKS, MEXICANS, CHINA, FIJI, VIETNAMESE, AUSTRIA, HUNGARY, PHILIPPINES, NICARAGUANS, HATIANS (god we went to war & have beef with ALOT of people& counties) COLUMBIANS, DOMINICANS, MONGOLIANS, RUSSIAN, UKRAINIANS, ESTONIAS, LATVAINIANS, (and it keeps going ..) ROMANIANS, BULGARIANS, FINNISH, THAILAND, MANCHUKUO, CROATIA, SLOVAKIANS, ALBANIANS, LAO, CONGO, GRENADA, BOSNIA, SOMALIANS, YOGOSLAVIA, (damm thats a lot ! ) plus Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Syria, Cameroon, Egypt, Indonesia, East Malaysia, Singapore, East Timor, Brunei, Christmas Island, Cambodia, Myanmar (Burma), and West Malaysia in connection to ISIL, ISIS, Al Queda, Taliban, cause of the possibility of radical muslims that you are afraid of. We would also have to ban American citizens from traveling TO these counties & ban them FROM RETURNING those that are already there as well cause American citizens MIGHT go over there and become radical then come back & commit terrorist acts, recruit, or inspire other americans to radicalize.
What applies to Syria must apply to ALL to be on the safe side right? There are still Nazis today that want to revive the political party and force the bygone policies of death and fear on all those not Nazi, that have murdered and bombed since the end of WW2 that are living in Germany, Poland, Austrian, Italy, ect ect, even in Isreal, Tawain, Mongolia, Brazil, Canada, ect. Since they have a proven track record of violence against people and government, should we not deport and ban immigrants and citizens from these countries just to be sure also ?
But we won't cause these are countries that we have trade deals with and depend on for our food, oil, electronics, appliances, medicine, pretty much everything cause we shipped job and manufacturing overseas in order for companies to earn bigger profits and a poor and middle class workforce for menial jobs that the elite & rich don't want to do. And even if we just ban the Syrian refugees was are adding fuel to the RADICAL muslim cause - the US (muslims) against them mentality that they prey upon and alienate our allies in the middle east, which we need to get oil that fuels our society. ALSO IF WE DID THERE WOULD BE NOBODY LEFT IN AMERICA BUT THE ANIMALS AND PLANTS.
2) Christianity and Islam BOTH can and have been used to commit murder, intimidation, genocides by RADICAL factions who pervert their teachings in order to further their political power, justify targeting a certain group they believe are in violation of their values and beliefs based on prejudice or greed, ect ect it just that RADICAL muslims have been in the mainstream media cause of political and or religious agendas of the people that own and or pay for the media coverage, AND THEY ARE NOT WHITE ! And if they are, they are treated as the exception and deranged, interpreting the Bible falsely & media moves on.
Neo Nazi seek to revive the far-right-wing tenets of Nazism and are OVERWHELMINGLY WHITE AND CLAIM CHRISTIAN FAITH. They want ultranationalism, racism, ableism, xenophobia, homophobia, antiziganism, antisemitism, and initiating the Fourth Reich. AND THEY DONT HIDE THAT THEY ARE NAZIS AT ALL 1 Yet rarely are there actions sensationalized in the media, with as much 24hr coverage, opinions being spewed as factual news, and politicians being riled up as that against Muslims.
In 2006, 66 people were the victims of hate crimes and murders in Russia by Neo Nazis. 85 in 2007, 97 in 2008 and 202 in 2012. A few years ago, a Neo Nazi thug named Alexander Koptsev stabbed eight Jews in a Moscow synagogue. A Filipino man from New Westminster, Canada " sleeping just before midnight on Oct. 10, 2009 " woke up when three neo-Nazis poured flammable liquid on him. The 26-year-old man escaped with burn injuries, tearing his flaming shirt off as he ran. A black man had the courage to help, only to get beaten himself and taunted for his skin color. On July 24, 2010, an Aboriginal woman and her Hispanic boyfriend were walking past the same East Vancouver intersection of the burning incident nine months before, when they were assaulted " police alleged the assailant was Blood and Honour's (a Neo Nazi branch group ) reported ringleader. Saqi Mohamed was pursued, headbutted & beaten bloody & unconscious in the middle of Commercial Drive in 2009. ECT ECT
Nazis passed The Nazi Party Programme of 1920 guaranteeing freedom for all religious denominations NOT HOSTILE to the State and endorsed POSITIVE CHRISTIANITY to combat "the Jewish-materialist spirit". Positive Christianity was a modified/ RADICALIZED version of Christianity which emphasised racial purity and nationalism. The Nazis were helped by theologians that held that the Old Testament & portions of the New Testament of the Bible were inaccurate. He claimed that Jesus was not a Jew but of Aryan origin, and that Adolf Hitler was the new messiah. ( SO they pervert the word of GOD to further their own agenda ? They used a RADICAL interpretation ? ) Hitler denounced the Old Testament as "Satan's Bible", and utilising components of the New Testament to demonstrate that Jesus was Aryan and antisemitic, such as in John 8:44 where Hitler noted that Jesus is yelling at "the Jews", as well as Jesus saying to the Jews that "your father is the devil", and describing Jesus' whipping of the "Children of the Devil". He also claimed that the New Testament included distortions by Paul the Apostle, whom Hitler described as a "mass-murderer turned saint". The Nazis also used Protestant Martin Luther words and work in their propaganda.
3) " A simple understanding of the teachings of the bible shows that so-called "Radical Christians" do not actually represent Christianity. " Have you read the Quran, in the actual Arabic language and not a abridged or translation piece where prejudice and political agenda can color the translation ? All 14 chapter and 77,000+ words ? Majority of Muslims haven't and instead rely on their spiritual leaders to tell them what the passages are suppose to mean ( Christianity anyone ? ) and the millions of simplified and translated FREE books and e-books provided by .. (drum roll ) Qatar & Saudi Arabia. The two Gulf states have spent BILLIONS of dollars on PROMOTING A MILITARIZED AND PROPHECY VERSION OF THE QURAN derived from Abdul Wahhab, an eighteenth century scholar. Wahhabi Salafism is the state religion of these two countries & ISIL is a VIOLENT RADICAL EXPRESSION of Wahabist Salafism. When the most widely & sometimes only available copy of the words of your faith promote violent actions, what will you believe your GOD is telling you ? But even those that CHOOSE to follow such a violent message is a VAST MINORITY in the over 2 BILLION practicing Muslim just as there is a VAST MINORITY of RADICAL CHRISTIANS in the over 2 BILLION Christians worldwide.
When mass shootings by criminals spouting Bible verses, spreading hate under the guise of religious freedom, happens, FOX News/Republicans cry " Do not judge all by the deranged few " ... Why can't they take their own advice when it comes to Musli
"Have you read the Quran, in the actual Arabic language and not a(sic) abridged or translation piece where prejudice and political agenda can color the translation ?" Admittedlym I only speak english, and not arabic, greek, hebrew, or aremaic, so the answer is no. Simply posing this kind of question does not nullify anything I've said. I could easily make the same argument about translations of the bible. I could back my argument up with the fact that the bible is correctly translated. One could make the same argument about the Koran. Just simply making the assertation that something is untrue, doesn't actually make it untrue. You have to prove this to be true
' " Do not judge all by the deranged few " ... Why can't they take their own advice when it comes to Musli(sic) ' Easily. As I've stated, justify so called "radical Christian" actions with corrosponding bible verses. I can do that with Islam and the Koran
Have you ever cheated on someone?
`42; Yes 41%
Have you ever been cheated on?
`42; Yes 68%
`42; No 32%
Would you be unfaithful if you knew your partner would never find out?
`42; Yes 8%
`42; No 92%
Husbands who admit to cheating on a spouse
`42; Reported in Men's Health Best Life, 2003
1 in 20 (5%)
Wives who admit to cheating on a spouse
`42; Reported in Men's Health Best Life, 2003
1 in 22 (4.55%)
`42; Reported in Oprah Magazine, 2004
# of guys who take off their wedding rings when they go out without their wives
`42; 1 in 3
% of cheating men who get caught
% of couples who preserve their marriage after an affair
Of those couples who remain married despite an affair, what percentage later describe the marriage as unhappy or empty?
Footnote 1: "Dr. Phil: The Love Survey," O: The Oprah Magazine, February 2004, Phillip C. McGraw, Ph.D., page 34 " source: 37,000 responders to drphil.com, oprah.com, O magazine survey.
Footnote 2: "Anatomy of an Affair," Men's Health: Best Life, Spring/Summer 2003, Laurence Roy Stains, page 78 " source: "Secret-Sex Stats," citing Anthony DeLorenzo, author of 28 Tell-Tale Signs of a Cheating Spouse and president of Infidelity.com; the study The Impact of Extramarital Relationships on the Continuation of Marriage; and the book Just Married.
Footnote 3: "Looking for Love? Uh-Uh," O: The Oprah Magazine, October 2004, Alexa Joy Sherman, pages 266-268 " source: "Sex by the Numbers," citing "American Sexual Behavior: Trends, Socio-Demographic Differences and Risk Behavior" (National Opinion Research Center); The Social Organization of Sexuality; Journal of Sex Research (February 2001); American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy; Adult Video News; NIH; IMS Health; AARP / Modern Maturity Sexuality Study.
WOW ! Thats a lot of adulterous acts and thoughts = a whole lot of sin. The seriousness of the sin of adultery can be seen under the law of Moses the penalty was death by stoning. (Deuteronomy 22:2, John 8:4,5). But the seriousness of adultery is most clearly described by the eternal punishment of those who commit the sin cause an adulterer CANNOT GO TO HEAVEN. Ephesians 5:5 says: " "No whoremonger, no unclean person hath an inheritance in the Kingdom of Christ and of God." And in Colossians 3:6, we are told that because fornication, uncleanness, and inordinate affection, the wrath of God comes on the children of disobedience. YET people who claim to be Christians cheat all the time.
You say " Well they are not TRUE Christians then cause TRUE christian wouldn't go against GODs word. " Okay. Lets pick another example - GREED. Now most people will agree that greed is running rampart in our society. Big corporations and a few at the top profit off of the sweat, blood, backs and misery of those under them. Jesus warned, "Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man"s life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions" Luke 12:15. "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal" You cannot serve both God and money" Matthew 6:19 and 24. Pope Francis, the leader of the Roman Catholic Church from which Christianity many branches springs from routinely speaks out against greed and its destructive nature, advocating a simple life and charity towards those less fortunate. Jesus taught that it is not the money itself that was the problem. The love of money becomes a sin because it gets in the way of worshipping God and holding true to other tenants of his faith. "Then the King will say to those on his right, "Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me . . . I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me"" (Matthew 25:34-36, 40). It is telly us that when we care for someone in need,love, give charity, we do the will of Christ. "If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him?" John 3:17-18. "What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead" James 2:14-17. When a rich young ruler asked Jesus what he should do to inherit eternal life, Jesus told him to sell all his possessions & give the money to the poor. "When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth" Matthew 19:16-22; Luke 10:17-31. By instructing the rich ruler to give up his money to those in need of it, Jesus pointed out the young man"s main problem: greed. The man could not follow Christ because he was following money. His love of this world interfered with his love for God. Following this thought you might say " But don't we give millions of dollars to charities all the time ? " Yes we do. Total charitable contributions by individuals, corporations, and foundations was an estimated $298.42 billion in 2011, up 4 percent in current dollars and 0.9 percent in inflation-adjusted dollars from a revised total of $286.91 billion in 2010, according to a report from the Giving USA Foundation & the Center on Philanthropy at Indiana University. These figures are based on estimated charitable deductions on tax returns filed for 2011.
But what about that homeless man on the corner you passed while drinking your overpriced Starbucks coffee this morning ? What about the millions or kids in the US alone that go hungry everyday while you pig out at a buffet ? Our greed drive us to consume things based on a projection of wealth status to other. A $1000 handbag, expensive cars while we can't even buy groceries or pay utility bills, ect ect
Unless you are willing to give up your riches ( TV, car, laptop, iPhones, ect ) & live simply, you are going against a tenant of your faith....Making YOU a radical ! DUN DUN DUN ! lol
I focused on Christian cause that is what I am most familiar with (born as) but I can make a case for Muslims too if you want
I'd like to thank my opponent for taking this debate.
As the audience can attest, I have made the best case. Vote Pro!
I ADDRESSED not attacked christianity because even though it is stated in the Constitution for a separation of STATE(Govt) and CHURCH(Christianity) and that accepting FOREIGN refugees and immigration falls under state/govt jurisdiction, BECAUSE Christianity has wormed its way into Govt, particularly into the Republican party, and has an inherent bias towards other religions, that has in the past and does also in the present, cause people to behave violently towards people of religions and beliefs not with the mainstream Christian ideology. These past/present transgressions and opposite political, religious and social will to a UNIVERSAL and HUMANE gesture of compassion would/has/and will cloud the judgement on the Syrian and any refugee not white and Christian. It makes it more about " I am Christian, you are Muslim, I am good and you are bad " narrative rather then factual statistics and the human nature of compassion that frankly I think is hypocritical of most Christian, as that it is a tenant of their faith to have compassion and love all of GOds children, with no distinction on WHAT religion they practice for we are all his children, yet when an opportunity shows up to ENACT THAT FAITH, THAT PILLAR OF THE RELIGION THEY SO VEHEMENTLY CLAIM, they instead judge, hate, and shun. It seems like an attack on Christianity because you kept harping on the reason that they can not be allowed in is cause they ARE MUSLIM, a religion, and one that mainstream and radical Christianity has decided is the devil enemy and rival, because of some opposite beliefs, misunderstanding of each others beliefs and, a want to be the big dog on top the of religious dog pile.
Besides, its says in the bible that other faiths are sinners and also says that a mission of a christian is to bring the word of god to sinners and followers of false religions, to bring them to jesus and through him, to the lord your God. You should be jumping for joy to be able to have hands on, close quarters opportunity to tell the word of God to a sinner, to have the chance to redeem them and have them see the greatness of the Lord. You don't have to spend thousands of dollars on plane tickets, hotels, food, and expenses, traveling to other countries in order to spread the word to non believers. Non believers are being brought to you !
But that would be hard since for thousands of years you have said that ANY people, nation, race that isn't Christian and to a great degree isn't WHITE, are followers/children of the devil, will burn in hell, and deserve all the evil of the world visited upon them. Christianity has waged war and committed genocide with that frame of mind time and time again. And your God is suppose to be a loving and compassionate god ? " Well he just does that against the NON BELIEVERS OF CHRIST AND GOD " ....? What about the Spanish Inquisition ? The Spanish CATHOLICS repressed Jews and Muslims THAT HAD ALREADY CONVERTED and Protestants ( a christian sect same as catholics) in their country, territory, and colonies, imposing lengthy jail sentences, deportation, and even deaths. What about Protestant Queen Elizabeth the 1st and her wars against the Catholic Mary Queen of Scots, the catholic French, Spanish, and the repression of the Puritans ? The Catholics against the Lutherians, subjecting advocates of Lutheranism to forfeiture of all property, half of the seized property to be forfeit to the imperial government and the remaining half forfeit to the party who brought the accusation. So if I like your land i can just ACCUSE you of being a Lutherian and I get half your land ! And many more incidences where Christianity has turned against those that by definition of their faith, acknowledging Jesus as the son of god and the way to salvation, just because HOW they worship and interpret the bible differing, and using that for political, land, and monetary gains. And you expect someone of another faith, who has lived with it all their life, to switch to a religion that in a way abuses and 'Eats" its own when if suites them and when it gains them material goods, wealth, and/or power ( all things by the way that are against its prescribed faith)
As for the sources I cited them repetitively even having internet addresses, footnotes, and bible verse chapters and lines - I don't know how much easier I can cite my sources beside personally showing the sources to your eyes but then I would have to get paper copies of the surveys, books, paper, and a bible and bring them to your house for you to see ( note sarcasm here) which considering Im not white, and am a largely non religious person, AND have " attacked" Christianity in your eyes, you would be so inclined to call the cops on me and say Im a terrorist, or at a least a stalker if I did LOL
While you seem to be on this site to gain points, to push your RELIGIOUS views as the end all and be all for all debates and opinions, and a feeling of superiority over others, I am on here to have intellectual fun and pass the time.
People can vote however they want. When you turn healthy social and intellectual conversation into a contest of points and popularity, religious or secular, it cheapens the conversation. If this was a Religions debate site yes, but as far as I knew it was open to all faiths, even those who have none. Those that when they are proven wrong BY SCIENCE AND FACTS that then cry that you are attacking their FAITH which props up false facts and science as religious doctrine and law over man ( the universe revolves around the earth, the earth was created in 7 days, man was created out of mud and women out of his rib, menstruation is Gods punishment to women for eating the forbidden fruit and leading man astray, a non believer of my personal faith is a condemned sinner that will be consigned to hell upon death, ect ect ) are to me PERSONALLY tarnishing the basic goodwill and real moral lessons of their faiths. Thats my personal feeling on religious bias when it comes WORDLY issues. Leave the afterlife and judgement of who is and who isn't a sinner, right and wrong to the higher power.
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