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Altair would destroy Ezio Auditore

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Started: 4/17/2010 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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smarterthanmost

Pro

In the game assassin's creed, there are two major assassins, who both were two of the coolest video game characters ever. Altair, in the original, and Ezio Auditore de Firenze, in the sequel. No one can argue that both of them weren't awesome, but i feel, and most people will agree with me, that Altair was better. If you haven't played the game, Altair has no backstory and lives during the crusades. He is called the greatest assassin ever. Then Ezio lives in renissance Italy. In the original, Altair is using the skills he invented and assassinates people his own way without help. If you play the second game Ezio uses Altairs techniques and uses weapons he has designed. They are both good, but Altair is better. This is meant to be friendly, I don't see how this can make people angry, so this is just meant for fun.
I-am-a-panda

Con

I thank my opponent for this debate.

=== DEFINITIONS ===

Would: Used in the main clause of a conditional statement to express a possibility or likelihood [http://www.thefreedictionary.com...]

Destroy: to reduce (an object) to useless fragments, a useless form, or remains, as by rending, burning, or dissolving; injure beyond repair or renewal; demolish; ruin; annihilate. [http://dictionary.reference.com...]

== BURDEN ON PRO ==

Pro is contending Altair would destroy Ezio Auditore, as per the definition of destroy. To do this Pro must establish:

1) A motive for Altair to destroy Ezio.

2) How Altair could destroy Ezio successfully.

I will now make arguments for each of the above points.

1) There is in fact no reason for Ezio to want to kill Altair. Ezio is a descendant of Altair, and therefore Altair would view him as family [1]. Furthermore, both are assassins, and therefore aligned in a common struggle [1] [2]. From this it is clear that Altair would not be motivated to kill Ezio.

[1] = http://assassinscreed.wikia.com...
[2] = http://assassinscreed.wikia.com...

2) In a fight, Ezio would have an advantage over Altair. In Assassins creed 2, Ezios inventory matches Altais, with the same armour and sword [3]. Ezios inventory is better than Altairs in the following ways:

- Ezio can carry more blades than Altair, and they are made of more modern steel.
- Ezio has two hidden blades with designs improved by Leonarda Da Vinci, whereas Altair has one.
- Ezio has a hidden pistol, something Altair lacks.
- Ezio has smoke bombs, something Altair lacks.
- Ezio can poison his blade, something Altair can't do.
- Ezio can heal himself with portable medicine, something Altair can't do.

[3] = http://assassinscreed.wikia.com...

I have successfully disproved the resolution. Back to Pro.
Debate Round No. 1
smarterthanmost

Pro

I thank the con for choosing the argument and using very good examples.

First of, experience wise, Ezio became an assassin at around 17, while Altair was trained from birth.

My main point was to express that in a fight, with no specific reason, just in a fight, Altair had much more experience.

I agree with con on the advantage, but i feel that in the game, Altair is never talked about after he finishes the story line. He is, as understood in the second game, continued to go on and invent the items Ezio uses, thus it basically says that Altair has them to with a more expanded knowledge on how they work.

Secondly, they had the knowledge on how to deal with opponents. Ezio simply fought guards, while Altair fought some of the main crusaders.

Thus being my point, they had the same equipment, so the entire battle would come down to experience, with which it is implied that Altair had more.
I-am-a-panda

Con

I thank Con for his response.

"My main point was to express that in a fight, with no specific reason, just in a fight, Altair had much more experience."

--> The word 'would' in the resolution means you must provide a motive for Altair to destroy Ezio.

"I agree with con on the advantage............. thus it basically says that Altair has them to with a more expanded knowledge on how they work."

--> Altair may have invented the weapons Ezio would use, but it doesn't imply he has a greater ability to use them. Furthermore, we never see Altair use the weapons, such as the hidden pistol, which he invents.

"Secondly, they had the knowledge on how to deal with opponents. Ezio simply fought guards, while Altair fought some of the main crusaders."

--> Actually, Ezio fights much more than just guards in the course of the game. In the last mission during sequence 14, he has to defeat Rodrigo Borgia, who possesses a Piece of Eden, which makes him significantly stronger than Ezio. Furthermore, Ezio has to dispatch a multitude of enemies, and often without alerting them, making it significantly more difficult.

"Thus being my point, they had the same equipment, so the entire battle would come down to experience, with which it is implied that Altair had more."

--> Actually, Altair is never seen with most of the equipment that I mentioned in Round 1, such as the hidden pistol. Furthermore, Altair lacks portable medicine and smoke bombs, to name a few things, that he would not be able to require regardless.

My opponent has not established why or how Altair would indeed destroy Ezio Auditore. Back to Pro.
Debate Round No. 2
smarterthanmost

Pro

I thank the con for his response.

Now you talk about reasons for why they would fight, and i restate that if there was a fight, for no particular reason, there would be some issues. If you want an issue they would fight over present, imagine Ezio stepped on Altairs shoes or something.

If you all play the games, they both have different fighting styles. Ezio is more brute force, while Altair is more stealthy. Not that I am saying that Altair wouldn't be strong, it's just that Ezio's assassinations included sword fights.

In a fight in either game, there is a place for both.

Also, in the second game Ezio uses Altair's armor, that most likely, if you take it seriously, would have worn down over the millenium. The same goes for his sword.

The argument that Altair didn't have the equipment, when you make a good argument, is basically implied, as seen in the second game codex pages.

So basically, it is said they equipment they use is the same, when Altairs is in better condition.

That's my argument, back to con.
I-am-a-panda

Con

"If you want an issue they would fight over present, imagine Ezio stepped on Altairs shoes or something."

--> This is clearly not a sufficient reason for Altair to want to destroy Ezio. As mentioned in Round 1 Ezio is family to Altair and is part of the assassins, a group which Altair basically created.

"Ezio is more brute force, while Altair is more stealthy. Not that I am saying that Altair wouldn't be strong, it's just that Ezio's assassinations included sword fights."

--> Actually, quite a few of Ezios missions involve not begin detected by the guards when getting to your target. However, in many of Altairs missions you don't have to be stealthy.

"Also, in the second game Ezio uses Altair's armor, that most likely, if you take it seriously, would have worn down over the millenium. The same goes for his sword."

--> Actually, in the game the armour is in pristine condition, and in fact does not have to repaired in the game [1].

"The argument that Altair didn't have the equipment, when you make a good argument, is basically implied, as seen in the second game codex pages."

--> It is not implied in the codex pages that Altair used any of this equipment.

[1] = http://assassinscreed.wikia.com...

Pro has not fulfilled his burden in proving the resolution. His not sufficiently established why or how Altair could successfully destroy Altair.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Tusks 3 years ago
Tusks
IS EVERYONE FORGETTING that in altair's game he had a SYNC bar, NOT and HEALTH bar. Every time altair would get "hit", Desmond became out of sync with Altair's memory. Implying that Altair was never hit during the entirety of the freaking game. Ezio on the other hand had a health bar because in his memory he was actually hit and needed to be healed. The obvious victor is Altair. He demonstrates a far superior skill level in his fighting than Ezio does. Ezio would be dead before he has the chance to use his pistol or poison.
Posted by ashtronomy 5 years ago
ashtronomy
Ahhhh I love this, too! AC is my game!

Ezio would smoke Altair in combat, though.
Posted by Yvette 7 years ago
Yvette
OMG, love this.
Posted by Veridas 7 years ago
Veridas
Pfft, Ezio has a girlfriend you know. Or something resembling a girlfriend.

Ok so he has a woman that he occasionally sleeps with, but no money changes hands so no prostitution.
Posted by russianmaster999 7 years ago
russianmaster999
but i think the prostitutes are both of their weaknesses
Posted by russianmaster999 7 years ago
russianmaster999
i would totally agree with that one
Posted by Veridas 7 years ago
Veridas
Ezio has a gun.

And prostitutes.

I'm pretty sure those are Altair's two weaknesses or something.
Posted by russianmaster999 7 years ago
russianmaster999
i agree with i-am-a-panda on this topic i truely believe that enzio would win over altair plus you have move ablilty with enzio then altair
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