America is not founded on Christian morals.
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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."-first amendment u.s constitution.
this contradicts these three commandments
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me."-first commandment. this contradicts freedom of religion.
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments."-second commandment. this contradicts freedom of speech.
"Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain."-third commandment. contradicts free speech again.
this is just what contradicts the first amendments there is more evidence than this like article 11 of the treaty of Tripoli also proves that america is not founded on christian morals.
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims]; and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."-article 11 treaty of Tripoli.
1) Pro failed to list even one Christian moral in round number two
a) The 10 Commandments are not Christian. The 10 Commandments were written by a Levite several hundred years before there were any Christians.
b) The entire Old Testament was written before there were any Christians.
2) Pro failed to explain the Christian meaning of 'treaties'
a) Do Christians have a treaty with God?
b) Do Christians have a treaty with non-Christians?
c) Does God have a treaty with non-Christians?
Con argument round 2:
The Canaanites received the Land of Canaan by treaty with God. The Canaanites failed to live up to their treaty with God and lost the right to live in the Land of Canaan. The ancient Israelites entered into a treaty with God and received the right to live in the Land of Canaan. The ancient Israelites failed to live up to their treaty with God and lost the right to live in the Land of Canaan, (Babylonian captivity). By treaty God brought ancient Israel back into the Land of Canaan. Again ancient Israel failed to live up to their treaty with God and again God forced ancient Israel out of the Land of Canaan, (General Titus and the Romans). Roman justification for the invasion of Palestine was the fact that Jerusalem broke the treaty it had with Rome.
After the destruction of Jerusalem, General Titus went back to Rome and conducted a Triumph. After the Triumphal parade a Jewish Menorah was carved on a stone pillar for the following generations of Romans to remember. Also the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem was razed and the stone works were used to build the Roman Coliseum.
Con point number 1:
The First Amendment that Pro listed in round 2 is a Christian Triumph on the order of General Titus'. The First Amendment was never meant as a Christian Moral.
Con point number 2:
The treaty of Tripoli is a simple statement that the U.S. was not interested in a religious war.
Con point number 3:
The treaty of Tripoli is an inferior treaty for explaining Christian intent. Real Christian treaties are of the type used to subjugate the American Indians.
1)Christians must breath air.
2) Christians must obey the law.
Air and the 10 Commandments are Christian property, (sic).
Everyone must breath air. Everyone must obey the law. Pro's main point in this debate is based on the false premise that the 10 Commandments are Christian. The 10 Commandments are not Christian, they are not Jewish and they are not even the property of mankind in anyway shape or form. The 10 Commandments are the building blocks of all society just like the Elements of Chemistry are the building blocks of all the physical universe. Can the Elements be changed? Yes. Can the 10 Commandments be changed? Yes. But neither the Elements or the Law are property of Christianity.
Have you ever read, (heard of would be a better question)-
Pro have you ever even heard of the Puritan book "The Scarlet Letter"? Maybe I should explain the question-
The Puritans were part of a Christianity that actually helped to found America. What the Puritans would do was to place adulterers in the stocks, (Pro the word "stocks" here is not a financial term). The book "The Scarlet Letter" was authored by a Puritan to protest the practice of shunning.
Now I know that people like you Pro think that because the Puritans frowned on adultery that that proves the 10 Commandments were written by Christians but I assure you that the 10 Commandments were written by a Levite many hundreds of years before there were any Christians. Further I submit that the entire OT was written by non-Christians. Now the New Testament is a Christian work. If you would like to debate whether or not the New Testament moral code made a government like that of the Puritan U.S. Constitution then that would work out fine. But the OT and the 10 Commandments would never be able to produce such a Nation as the United States with the freedoms that we have today. Not even if Moses were to come back from the dead.
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Vote Placed by Jellon 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro, the 10 commandments aren't inherently Christian morals. The fourth commandment includes not doing any work on the seventh day of the week. Most Christians do not observe that commandment. Most Christian congregations meet on the first day of the week. Romans 13 encouraged Christians to be law abiding citizens of the Roman government which was written from a jail cell by a man imprisoned for proclaiming Yeshua Jesus as the Messiah. Perhaps Christian morals include a separation of church and state. Con: you made no positive argument for your resolution. You only replied to Pro's statements. Frankly, you didn't do a good job of that. Both of you were sarcastic. No points for anyone.
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