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America should support blanket amnesty for illegal immigrants.

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Started: 10/28/2013 Category: Education
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lbenzNHS

Con

Illegal immigrants should not be granted amnesty because it would skyrocket the financial strain on social services. According to the Center for Immigration Studies, 57% of both legal and illegal immigrant homes are receiving the benefits of at least one welfare program ("Is it"Illegal Immigrants?"). If granted amnesty, illegal immigrants would become eligible for full benefits and the burden on legal, taxpaying citizens would increase drastically. In addition, businesses, especially if banned from outsourcing, will turn to the equally as detrimental technique of "in-sourcing," or hiring illegal aliens in the U.S. Although the Senate is demanding that employers prove that American workers are "unwilling or unavailable" to take these jobs before they hire illegal immigrants, they will find ways around the law in order to make the most profit at the least expense by hiring cheap labor ("Is It"Illegal Immigrants?"). For these reasons, only legal immigration should be supported in the United States.

Works Cited
"Is it a Bad Idea to Legalize the Illegal Immigrants?" Illegal Immigration Statistics. 2013. Web. 14 October 2013. http://www.illegalimmigrationstatistics.org.......
kgershkoffnhs

Pro

Illegal immigrants should be granted all educational and health benefits that citizens receive regardless of their legal status. In 1982, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Plyler v. Doe that undocumented children have the same right to attend public primary and secondary schools as U.S. citizens. About 1.6 million undocumented immigrants are children and allowing them education is allowing them a future in life. Not doing so, however, restricts the success which they may have otherwise received as a result of education. Also, preventing immigrants from gaining basic health benefits is actually a technique that will only increase health care spending and add to a sicker U.S. population. Lawmakers have authorized a special Medicaid fund that mostly goes towards providing emergency treatments for undocumented immigrants. The program costs about $2 billion per year, and most of that money is used on delivering babies for pregnant, undocumented women. However, since the $2 billion provided for undocumented immigrants is only set aside for pregnancies, there is still a large gap in the services provided for these people. The lack of access to care services is a problem given that low-income undocumented immigrants tend to have specialized and chronic health care needs such as diabetes and obesity. Everyone deserves a chance at life, even illegal immigrants reasoning that they should be given a chance of education and a chance to attain health care.

Works Cited
"Should Children of Illegal Immigrants Have the Right to an Education in the US?" People. Web. 15 Oct. 2013.
"Why Undocumented Immigrants Should Have Access To Taxpayer-Funded Health Care." ThinkProgress. Web. 15 Oct. 2013
Debate Round No. 1
lbenzNHS

Con

The solution to illegal immigration is not to grant aliens the same rights as United States citizens or immigrants who are here legally. According to the Federation for American Immigration Reform, illegal immigration costs taxpayers $113 billion every year, which amounts to an extra $1,117 per household ("Illegal Immigration...American Taxpayer"). Illegal immigrants do pay taxes, but this only yields $13 billion per year, leaving a net cost of $100 billion that must be made up by law-abiding citizens. ("Illegal Immigration...American Taxpayer"). Illegal immigration is clearly unhealthy for America. In fact, the money spent on education and welfare programs for illegal aliens exceeded the budget deficits of 18 states in 2009 ("Illegal Immigration...American Taxpayer"). If a "path to citizenship" were granted, tax revenues from current illegal aliens would certainly increase. However, this yield would be greatly exceeded by the cost of the full welfare benefits to which they would automatically become entitled ("Illegal Immigration...American Taxpayer"). Therefore, illegal immigration should be discouraged so that the U.S. can dig itself out of its fiscal grave and first provide law-abiding citizens with the care they need.

Works Cited
"Illegal Immigration: the $113 Billion Dollar Drain on the American Taxpayer." Illegal Immigration Statistics. 2013. Web. 18 October 2013. http://www.illegalimmigrationstatistics.org.......
kgershkoffnhs

Pro

While many Americans believe illegal immigrants don't pay taxes, billions of dollars deducted from paychecks issued to undocumented workers go to the Social Security Administration (SSA) every year even though those workers almost certainly will never see that money again. According to The Seattle Times Newspaper, about $11.2 billion from illegal immigrants paychecks went into the Social Security Trust Fund in 2007, and $2.6 billion went into Medicare. While that money will be used to pay retirees and health-care beneficiaries, it most likely will never be claimed by the illegal immigrants who contributed it, seeing that they do not have Social Security and Medicare benefits (Lantigua, 1). Many people would think that illegal immigrants don't pay any taxes, yet they take money out the the American Government system, but that is not the case. They use the benefits given to them just as everyone else in the country does while paying taxes. However, the difference is that undocumented workers are ineligible for most government benefits and in some cases, give to the government more than they receive. Adam Davidson, International Business and Economics Correspondent at National Public Radio explains that, "Undocumented immigration also produces a net benefit at the state level. For example, approximately 13.9% of the nation's undocumented immigrants live in Texas. In 2006, the Texas Comptroller reported that undocumented immigrants paid about $424.7 million more in state revenues, including sales tax and school property tax, than they used in state services, including education and health care" (Davidson, 1). In conclusion, working Illegal Immigrants should be given benefits such as education, health care, and social security as they work and pay social security just as any other working United States citizen, but do not receive the same benefits.

Works Cited
Davidson, Adam. "Is Illegal Immigration an Economic Burden to America?" ProConorg Headlines. Web. 19 Oct. 2013.
Lantigua, John. "Illegal Immigrants Pay Social Security Tax, Won't Benefit." The Seattle Times 28 Dec. 2011, Nation and World sec. Web. 19 Oct. 2013.
Debate Round No. 2
lbenzNHS

Con

Undocumented workers do not receive full Social Security benefits because they are not United States citizens " nor should they be until they seek citizenship legally. Illegal immigrants are legally obligated to pay taxes, and they owe the government for allowing them to live and work in this country. One must remember that, whatever their reasons, immigrants who have come to this country without legal documentation have broken the law. Just as criminals lose their rights when they break the law, so should illegal immigrants have to face the consequences of their actions. Granting illegal immigrants the same rights as citizens would encourage them continue to break the law instead of seeking the approved path to citizenship ("Is it...Illegal Immigrants?"). Obama's plan to grant amnesty to illegal immigrants involves awarding visas to immigrants who have waited patiently in their countries of origin and to those who broke the law to come here ("Is it...Illegal Immigrants?"). If we award illegal immigrants legal rights, then we are essentially condoning crime. Furthermore, it is inaccurate to assume that illegal immigrants are not benefiting from living in this country already - even without full Social Security benefits. For example, money sent home by illegal immigrants is one of Mexico"s largest sources of revenue after oil sales and exports ("Top Ten Pros and Cons"). This revenue drains money away from the millions of unemployed and poor Americans who need help, and proves once again that illegal immigrants should not automatically be granted legal rights and receive the same benefits as citizens.

Works Cited
"Is it a Bad Idea to Legalize the Illegal Immigrants?" Illegal Immigration Statistics. 2013. Web. 21 October 2013. http://www.illegalimmigrationstatistics.org.......

"Top Ten Pros and Cons." Procon.org. 2009. Web. 21 October 2013. http://immigration.procon.org.......
kgershkoffnhs

Pro

While undocumented aliens do infact recieve some benifits, they should still be grated blanket amnesty. An article about the postives and negatives of illegal immigration states, "Whether you fine illegal aliens or stick them in English classes or make them say a hundred Hail Marys, at the end of the day, illegals would be allowed to stay and become citizens... That's amnesty. And that's a good thing for America. Amnesty won't depress wages - globalization has already done that. Amnesty will not undermine the rule of law. [...] It sounds counterintuitive, but with immigration, forgiving a crime may be the best way to restore law and order. Amnesty won't necessarily add to the social-services burden. [...] Amnesty would offer millions... a fighting chance at self-sufficiency and social mobility" ("Top Ten Pros and Cons, 1). Also, just because they crossed the border illegally doesn't mean that illigal immigrants will continue to commit crimes or be encouraged to continue to break the law. "According to the conservative Americas Majority Foundation, crime rates during the period 1999""2006 were lowest in states with the highest immigration growth rates. During that period the total crime rate fell 14% in the 19 top immigration states, compared to only 7% in the other 31. Truth is, foreign-born people in America, whether they are naturalized citizens, permanent residents, or undocumented, are incarcerated at a much lower rate than native-born Americans, according to the National Institute of Corrections" (8 Of the Most Vicious Myths About Illegal Immigrants, 1). It is more likely that native born people will commit a crime than people such as illegal immigrants. In conclusion, illegal immigrants should be granted blanket amnesty as doing so would be beneficial for America and they are less likely to commit crime than native borm United States citizens.

"Top Ten Pros and Cons." Procon.org. 2009. Web. 22 October 2013
"8 Of the Most Vicious Myths About Illegal Immigrants." PolicyMic. Web. 22 Oct. 2013.
Debate Round No. 3
lbenzNHS

Con

Citizens are more likely than illegal immigrants to commit crimes, but aliens still contribute to the imperative issue of criminality in America. One is more likely to die from a car accident than from drowning, but does that mean swimming safety should be taken any less seriously? In 2011, the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement removed 396,000 people from this country, the highest number ever, and fifty-five percent of them were convicted criminals ("Republicans...crimes"). Therefore, illegal immigrants cannot be granted the rights of citizens because it would only encourage unrestrained immigration and an increase in the crime rate. The threat that amnesty poses to national security should also be considered. The majority of terrorist acts committed in the United States have been perpetrated by people from countries abroad. Granting illegal immigrants amnesty would "open the flood gates," relaxing our immigration policies even further and increasing the risk of terrorism ("Top Ten Pros and Cons"). The highly reputable Center for Immigration Studies predicts that, as the requirements for citizenship become easier to obtain, immigrants will create false documents just to obtain green cards or amnesty, heightening the risk of terrorists slipping through the cracks ("Is it...Illegal Immigrants?"). The risk that illegal immigrants pose to the safety of American citizens cannot be undermined, and granting them amnesty would only put the country's safety in jeopardy.

Works Cited
"Is it a Bad Idea to Legalize the Illegal Immigrants?" Illegal Immigration Statistics. 2013. Web. 21 October 2013. http://www.illegalimmigrationstatistics.org.......
"Republicans decry 'deadly' policy as report shows illegal immigrants committing new crimes." FoxNews.com. 31 July 2012. Web. 23 October 2013. http://www.foxnews.com......
"Top Ten Pros and Cons." Procon.org. 2009. Web. 21 October 2013. http://immigration.procon.org.......
kgershkoffnhs

Pro

If illegal immigrants were granted amnesty, it would not indrease the rate of crime. As i have previously explained, foreign-born people in America, whether they are naturalized citizens, permanent residents, or undocumented, are incarcerated at a much lower rate than native-born Americans, according to the National Institute of Corrections. More people in the country is a cause for more crime to happen, but that is just nature. However, having illegal immigrants in America would infact decrease the overall crime rate. While it is true that the majority of terrorist acts committed in the United States have been done by people from countries abroad, the majority of terrorists enter the country legally. For example, the Center for Immigration Studies also explains that all of the September 11 hijackers were issued visas and entered upon their plains legally. ("How the Terrorists Get In"). In the case of September 11th, there was no relation between terrorist attacks and crossing the boarder illegally .Also, more than half (17 out of 28) of the foreign-born Islamic terrorists in the last decade were persons living legally in the United States as permanent residents or as naturalized citizens. Lastly, 45 of the 48 terrorists of the past decade all entered the country legally and at some point had contact with an inspector at a port of entry("How the Terrorists Get In"). Not granting illegal immigrants blanket amnesty will do very little to stop terrorist attacks from happening as the majority of acts are done by United States citizens or visitors who have entered the United States legally. If something was to be done to stop terrorist attacks overall, then immigration should be stopped as a whole, but that is not reasonable. Overall, The benefits of illegal immigrants out ways the negatives and therefore provides reason for why undocumented aliens should be granted a path to receive blanket amnesty.

Camarota, Steven A. "How the Terrorists Get In." Center for Immigration Studies. Web. 24 Oct. 2013.
Debate Round No. 4
lbenzNHS

Con

The benefits of illegal immigration do not outweigh the negatives. First of all, illegal immigrant labor will depress American wages and keep the unemployed or underemployed out of the job market (Dann). Even with wage laws negotiated by unions, granting illegal immigrants a path to citizenship will simply make it more difficult for American citizens to find work and support their families. Proponents of amnesty argue that illegals take care of the dirty manual labor that "Americans wouldn't do," but this absurd assumption is false. There is no job that would not be filled by American citizens if all the illegals in this country disappeared (Hawkins). Even if the "jobs Americans wouldn't do" statement were true, unskilled workers eventually become a burden on society. When they become too old to perform the hard menial labor for which they were hired, the cost of taking care of them will greatly exceed what we pay in taxes (Hawkins). Greedy business owners want to maximize their profits and minimize spending. Therefore, they hire illegal immigrants over American citizens because they do not have to pay them what the job is worth. These employers exploit the tide of illegal immigration selfishly, and increase the hardships of already struggling Americans. Also, awarding amnesty will cause rampant identity fraud and a new surge of illegal immigration. In 1986, Ronald Reagan passed the Immigration Reform and Control Act, which granted amnesty to 1.5 million illegal immigrants that had entered the country before 1982. The law promised to tighten subsequent immigration policies and penalize employers who hired illegals over citizens. However, it merely welcomed another wave of illegal immigration as well as widespread document fraud. As a result, today there are more than 11 million undocumented immigrants in this country (Dann). If amnesty were granted again, it would invite even more aliens to enter this country illegally and be allowed to stay without repercussions. In conclusion, United States citizenship is a precious thing that should not be dealt out to just anybody, especially those whose first accomplishment within our borders was to break our laws. If we reward any and all illegal aliens with amnesty, we are compromising the value of American citizenship and the dignity of the country.

Works Cited
Dann, Carrie. "Humanity? Practicality? Amnesty? The arguments for and against immigration reform. " NBC News. 12 April 2013. Web. 27 October 2013. http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com.......

Hawkins, John. "5 Reasons Illegal Immigrants Shouldn"t Be Given American Citizenship." N.p. 23 February 2010. Web. 27 October 2013. http://www.rightwingnews.com.......
kgershkoffnhs

Pro

America should not necessarily grant Illegal Immigrants citizenship, however they should be granted the right to all educational and health benefits, and legal rights that American citizens receive. According to the CAIRCO's section on Immigration Issues, since the 1986 amnesty, Congress has passed a total of 7 amnesties for illegal aliens allowing over 6 million total illegal immigrants to be granted blanket amnesty for a variety of reasons ("Immigration Issues"). Many illegal immigrants have already been granted a path to citizenship and amnesty, and more opportunities should be made available. For example, President Barack Obama reasons a plan to possibly grant the 12 million illegal immigrants that reside in America Amnesty. President Obama explains, "'We are not going to ship back 12 million people, we're not going to do it as a practical matter. We would have to take all our law enforcement that we have available and we would have to use it and put people on buses, and rip families apart, and that's not who we are, that's not what America is about. So what I've proposed... is you say we're going to bring these folks out of the shadows. We're going to make them pay a fine, they are going to have to learn English, they are going to have to go to the back of the line...but they will have a pathway to citizenship over the course of 10 years'" ("PROPOSED IMMIGRATION REFORM"). Simply removing illegal immigrants from the country would be much too costly and a waste of time. Individuals would be ripped away from their families and communities and there would also be negative economic consequences from removing millions of hard-working residents from the domestic labor pool. Instead, a proposed path to citizenship is a better solution.
Illegal Immigrants offer benefits to the United states in a variety of different ways. For example, Undocumented immigrants contribute to our economy as workers, taxpayers, and consumers, they account for 5 percent of the total U.S. labor force, and at least a quarter of the workers in industries like construction, agriculture, grounds keeping, meat processing, and textile production. All undocumented immigrants pay sales and property taxes, and most pay federal and state income taxes as well, even though they're not eligible for Social Security, Medicare, or the many other programs their tax dollars help fund. Undocumented immigrants also spend billions of dollars each year, which supports our economy and helps create new jobs. The New York Times explains that 'a 2006 study by the Texas State Comptroller estimated that the 1.4 million undocumented immigrants in Texas alone added almost $18 billion to the state's economic output, and more than paid for the $1.2 billion in state services they used by generating $1.6 billion in new state revenues' (Ewing). The contributions of undocumented immigrants would be even greater if they were able to earn legal status. Workers who are not part of an underground economy and don't live in fear of deportation are better able to acquire new job skills and move up the career ladder. That turns into higher wages, more money paid in taxes, and more money to spend to support other businesses. Also, most illegal immigrants are for the most part law-abiding. As I previously explained, there is a greater percentage of citizens who commit crimes than there are illegal immigrants. Immigration is a natural right that is attained at birth. The idea that immigration needs to be authorized by the government goes against that freedom. Immigrants who come to America seeking the opportunity to work and pursue happiness, or those brought here at too young an age to have any say in the matter, ought to be able to stay to pursue those opportunities, thus proving that illegal immigrants should be granted blanket amnesty.

Works Cited
Ewing, Walter. "Are Illegal Immigrants Good for the U.S. Economy?" The New York Times. Web. 30 Oct. 2013.
"Immigration Issues." Cairco. Web. 29 October 2013.
"PROPOSED IMMIGRATION REFORM." US Amnesty. Web. 29 October 2013.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by islandersfan 3 years ago
islandersfan
After further reviewing this, I truly cannot decide. This was extremely close. The only thing I would urge for PRO is to support the topic, and not just say immigrants should get the benefits.. But this truly is too close to call. I asked a few people after they read the debate to decide and 3 said PRO and 3 said CON.
Posted by islandersfan 3 years ago
islandersfan
This was VERY GOOD debate. I (unfortunately) saw this AFTER the voting period was over, but this was the best debate I have seen. This is (essentially) the December 2013 NFL Public Forum Resolution, and although I thought it was close, I would chose CON the winner, by a slight margin. I feel both sides did a good job citing sources, but I feel CON did a better job responding to the oppositions arguments, and had more clear points while staying true to the topic.
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