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DavidMGold
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Thraxel
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America shouldn't use any military force (even weapons, money, or training) in Syria

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DavidMGold
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 9/4/2013 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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DavidMGold

Pro

I will argue that America shouldn't use any military force in Syria or send weapons, money, or provide training in this conflict. This is an open debate and I don't really see a need for rules. The first round is acceptance or feel free to start off the debate.
Thraxel

Con

The current situation in Syria could end in a nuclear conflict you bastard!
Debate Round No. 1
DavidMGold

Pro

I will start with my first and most important contention followed by the second and most obvious.

First Contention - It Strengthens Al-Qaeda & Harms America's Security

The American people (and our elected representatives) should seriously examine the rush to intervene militarily in the Syrian conflict when it directly helps Al-Qaeda, which is responsible for the most deadly attack on American soil in our history. Ayman al-Zawahri, the leader of Al-Qaeda, in Febuary 2012 came out in support of the efforts to oust Bashar al-Assad and his regime[1]. The Syrian Jabhat al Nusra Front is an Al-Qaeda branch operating in that conflict and the leader, Abou Mohamad al-Joulani, has pledged the allegiance of the group to Ayman al-Zawahri[2]. Their goal is the overthrow of Assad's regime to make way for a Pan-Islamic State ruled by Sharia Law[3]. The group has been officially designated as a terrorist group by the United States[4]. ABC, CBS, and NBC have done 171 stories since August 21 on Syria and only 11 bothered to mention Al-Qaeda is operating in the country[5]. The British Intelligence Community (such as Britain"s Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre) have released an assessment that Al-Qaeda and other Jihadists operating in Syria have become "the most worrying emerging terrorist threat to the UK and the West." Also, "The Agencies and JTAC assess that Al-Qaeda elements and individual jihadists in Syria currently represent the most worrying emerging terrorist threat to the UK and the West," said the report in a section titled, "The Agencies' Assessment of the Threat[6]." Turkey has sent in the largest weapon shipments to date, which were knowingly distributed to Al-Qaeda affiliated groups and at the same time Al-Qaeda has managed to free as many as 2,000 members from prisons in Pakistan, Iraq, and Libya[7]. John Kerry was called out on his lie about the estimate of Jihadists that comprise the so-called rebels in Syria, which House Homeland Security Committee chairman Mike McCaul (R"Texas) said he learned in various briefings that it is closer to 50 percent. He said, "the rebels are "a majority now jihadist, so my concern is going into this situation that anything we do at this point to empower the jihadists " which I thought al Qaeda was the enemy " concerns me from homeland security perspective[8]." Ansar al-Sharia, the Al-Qaeda-affiliated militia, which was responsible for the attack on the U.S. Embassy in Libya is now training Jihadists to fight in Syria[9]. Last year, it was known to U.S. officials that the majority of weapons being sent to Syria were going into the hands of Jihadists[10]. They are the dominant force in Syria with the best organization, most experienced fighters, and the mythical secular appear nowhere in the country. The N.Y. Times reported, "Nowhere in rebel-controlled Syria is there a secular fighting force to speak of[11]."

It is ironic that Russia now has more credibility on the issue than our own government. From a foreign policy or a national perspective, U.S. military intervention and aid in Syria will put our government and military in the service of Al-Qaeda and global Jihadists, which is an outrageous proposition and yet amazingly in these Orwellian times largely escape the entire discussion of our involvement in this conflict. Militarily, you would allow your enemies to fight among themselves, not lend your biggest enemy in the 21st century your forces. Obama may be fond arguing that their will be "no boots on the ground," but that's because the boots are Jihadists coming in from Europe, North Africa, and throughout the Middle East. Maj. Gen. Aviv Kochavi, Israel's Military Intelligence Chief, has said that Syria is the "center of global jihad" and that they will set up an Islamic state much like Taliban-ruled Afghanistan[12].

[1] http://www.reuters.com...
[2] http://www.usatoday.com...
[3] http://www.telegraph.co.uk...
[4] http://www.state.gov...
[5] http://www.washingtontimes.com...
[6] http://www.cnsnews.com...
[7] http://www.globalresearch.ca...
[8] http://thehill.com...
[9] http://www.foxnews.com...
[10] http://www.nytimes.com...
[11] http://www.nytimes.com...
[12] http://rt.com...

Second Contention - Assad's Regime Hasn't Attacked the U.S.

As detestable as Bashar al-Assad and his regime may be from a western perspective, the fact remains that he hasn't launched any attacks on the United States or it's people. The great irony is that the Jihadists in Syria have carried out attacks on the U.S.
Thraxel

Con

I was new and i wanted to do the argument for pro under the basis that a cruise missile strike should happen but i got put on con.
Debate Round No. 2
DavidMGold

Pro

DavidMGold forfeited this round.
Thraxel

Con

Thraxel forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
DavidMGold

Pro

This was a wasted debate..
Thraxel

Con

Thraxel forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
DavidMGold

Pro

DavidMGold forfeited this round.
Thraxel

Con

Thraxel forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by brant.merrell 3 years ago
brant.merrell
David - I'd enjoy having this debate sometime soon, but I'm already lining up to challenge you over Global Warming, Mormons, and Muslims. You and I are truly opposite ends of the scale.
Posted by truther1111 3 years ago
truther1111
do you americans realise how crazy you are ? Another war ? how many have you been in since WW2 ? 50 ? i cant count , History will remember you as another empire faded into the dust of infinity .
Posted by DavidMGold 3 years ago
DavidMGold
I hope it your intention to have a serious debate on this topic.
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Reasons for voting decision: Even if you accidentally accepted the wrong position, you can still put up a decent argument. This was pathetic.