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America vs Brazil: National Music (Good or bad)

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Started: 5/23/2014 Category: Music
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I challenge anyone willing to accept. This is a music debate, and I'll be the US. Whoever can post the best music for their country, wins.


- Music must refer to the nation, or be about the nation

- All music must pertain to your country

- The music can be critical of praiseful to your country

Choose your nation wisely


I accept.
Debate Round No. 1


Song List....

1. Yankee Doodle Dandy, a song made to slander the rebels in 1776. The British did not anticipate we would adopt the song though, now being the state song of Maryland.

2. My personal favorite, the battle hynm of the republic. A mormon made battle song, later perfected by world famous composer John Phillip Sousa. This was the battle song of the republic for decades.

3. When Johnny Comes Marching home , was a Union civil war battle song, dedicating the wars soldiers, and the long waited return of the New York army. The civil war was the bloodiest conflict in American history, and this song certainly remains with strong sentiment, even among todays crowd.

4. I thought I might put in a cool, but rather inconventianal song in as well. This is called the Warriors Song, and was made as a fast paced electronic cadence dedicated to the US military.

5. Eve of Destruction, is a notorius Vietnam esque protest song, that has been remastered 100's of times by many different artists. Its words are often changed slightly with every protest movenent, Barry Mcquire, playing it differently everytime himself.

6. I heard this song most of my life. Its dedicated to the many Irish soldiers who fought in the civil war, following the potato famine. What people need to remember, is that the Irish were viewed by most Americans as the scum of the nation. Taking jobs, and were often discriminated against. 1000's of soldiers joined movements on both sides, to gain respect and security for their families. This song in particular, refers to the infamous 69th Irish Brigade, a willing meat shield for US soldiers. The Irish Brigade lost more lives than any regiment in the civil war.

7.My country tis of thee, a stunning power ballad that displays the core values of our nation, and its founding principles. I feel, that America often forgets what the dream was actually about.

8. America, fuk yeah, is exactly what it sounds like. Arrogant and cocky.

9. To arms in Dixie, while a confederate anthem, still is played a lot in the south. It has became some unoffical theme for the people of the South. I can't claim to understand it, but I enjoy the unity....

10. CCR, America's most reputable Vietnam War band, has went through more revivals, then any other music genre since the 50's. Fortunate Son, is a song protesting the Vietnam War draft, declaring the singer, as "no fortunate son", due to him being sent to fight in "hell", IE, Vietnam.

11. The defense of New'r leans, was the final engagement in the war of 1812. Facing well equipped force, late president Jackson organized a valiant millitia defense against invading Canadians/Brits. By building cotton bale stacks and make shift barricades, the Americans won a major uphill battle. Ironically, this battle was fought after the signing of truce.

12. When Joepbr came to me wanting to debate this, I knew I had to find the perfect song to sum up American culture for here. Audience, I'm pleased to present you, "Its a party in the USA", by Miley Cyrus



So, I t seems that my opponent preferred to value quantity over quality, I however chose the latter, so, I'll focus more in the analysis and the significance of the songs rather than the sheer amount of songs. On this round I'll bring the most traditional songs, and dedicate the next ones to the critical and modern songs. So, here is the list:

1 - Independence Anthem


Already you can, Fatherland's sons,

See happy your gentle mother.
Liberty's already risen
At Brazil's horizon
Liberty's already risen
Liberty's already risen
At Brazil's horizon.

Brave Brazilian people!
Far off go, servile fear!
Either be the Fatherland free,
Or die for Brazil.
Either be the Fatherland free,
Or die for Brazil.

The chains that forged for us
Perfidy's astute slyness,
There was a most powerful Hand,
Sneered on them Brazil.
There was a most powerful Hand,
There was a most powerful Hand,
Sneered on them Brazil.

Don't fear impious phalanxes,
Who show their hostile face:
Your breasts, your arms
Are the walls of Brazil.
Your breasts, your arms
Your breasts, your arms
Are the walls of Brazil.

Congratulations, O Brazilians,
Already, with virile garb
From the Universe among Nations
Shines brightly that of Brazil.
From the Universe among Nations
From the Universe among Nations
Shines brightly that of Brazil.

t's said that this song was composed by emperor Dom Pedro I himself mere hours after he proclaimed independence, in September 7, 1822, So this is probably the first really Brazilian music. It was also the first national anthem, although it was replaced by the current one after the proclamation of the republic, but it remains one of the most important patriotic songs in the country, being played officially every September 7th.

2 - Flag Anthem


Hail, precious banner of hope!
Hail, august symbol of peace!
Thy noble presence to our minds
The greatness of our motherland does bring.

Take the affection enclosed
In our youthful chest,
Dear symbol of the land,
Of the beloved land of Brazil!

In thy beauteous bosom thou portrayest
This sky of purest blue,
The peerless greenness of these forests,
And the splendor of the Southern Cross.

Beholding thy sacred shadow,
We understand our duty,
And Brazil, loved by its children,
Powerful and happy shall be!

Over the immense Brazilian Nation,
In times of happiness or grief,
Hover always, o sacred flag,
Pavilion of justice and love!

Written by one of the most remarkable poets of the late 19th century, Olavo Bilac, the Flag Anthem was one of the many new national symbols created after the proclamation of the republic (1889). Even though it's not so well known, it's officially played on Flag Day (November 19th) and flag replacement ceremonies.

3 - Anthem of the Proclamation of the Republic


May this rebel song be an unfurled mantle of light

Under the vastness of these skies,
That comes to save us from inglorious deeds!
May this be a glorious anthem that speaks
Of hopes of new beginnings
To inspire with visions of triumph those
who in the future shall come forward to defend it!

Above us spread thy wings.
Through the struggles in the storm
Grant that we hear thy voice.

We cannot believe that in another age
Slaves there were in so noble a country.
Now the rosey glow of dawn
greets brothers, and not hostile tyrants.
We are all equal! In the future, united,
We will know how to take up
Our august banner that, pure,
glows triumphant from the altar of the fatherland!

If it is to be that from brave chests
Our banner will be bloodied
The living blood of the hero Tiradentes
Baptized this bold flag!

Messenger of peace, it is peace for which we yearn,
From love comes our force and power
But in war, in the greatest ordeals
Thou shall see us struggling and victorious!

May the shout from the Ipiranga
Be a defiant cry of faith!
Brazil sprang forth already free,
Standing above the purple vestments of royalty.
So then, forward Brazilians!
May we shining harvest green laurels!
May our country be triumphant,
A free land of free brothers!

This song won a contest made to choose a new national anthem after the fall of the monarchy, but it didn't gain much popularity initially, so the government preferred to adopt the current national anthem as official, this song was then declared the Anthem of the Proclamation of the Republic. It has several anti-slavery references, evidencing the close relation between the republican movement and abolitionism.

4 - July 2nd Anthem (Bahia state anthem)


The sun rises on the July 2nd
It shines more than in the first
It's a sign that on this day,
Even the sun, even the sun is Brazilian.

Never again, never again will despotism
Rule, rule our actions
Tyrants do not match
with Brazilian, with Brazilian hearts

Grow up, oh! son of my soul
To defend the homeland
Brazil have sworn:
Independence, independence or dying!

Hail, oh! King of the meadows
From Cabrito to Pirajá
Own now free homeland
Will not belong to tyrants, to tyrants.

This song refers to the victory on the battle of Pirajá, the last battle of the independence war, that happened on the state of Bahia in July 2nd, 1823. people from that state are very proud of this achievement, and some even consider this date to be more important than the official independence day (September 7th).

5 - Song of the Expeditionary

Due to lack of space, this is only the translation of the first stanza and chorus:

Do you know where I come from?
I come from the Engenho hill
From the jungles, from the coffee farms
From the good land of coconuts
From the hut where one is little,
Two is good and three is too much.
I come from the silky beaches,
From the towering mountains,
From the pampas, the rubber plantations,
From the curly rivers margins,
From the green wild seas
Of my homeland.

However much land I walk through
May God not let me to die
Before going back home
And without taking as a motto
This "V" that represents
The victory that will come:
Our final victory
Which is the aim of my rifle,
The ration of my haversack,
The water of my canteen,
The wings of my ideals,
The glory of my Brazil.

This is a song of the Brazilian Expeditionary Force, sent to fight the World War II on the side of the allies - the only troops sent by a South American nation, and is the last time Brazil took part in a war, being responsible for important victories against the Germans on the Italian Campaign.

6 - Il Guarany (Overture)

This is the overture of the opera Il Guarany (or O Guarani in Portuguese), which is considered the first major example of classic music created by a Brazilian composer. The opera was written in Italian, and it is based on the romance of same name by José de Alencar, the most prominent writer of romanticism in Brazil. It's a prime example of indianism, a literary movement that seek to build a national identity by exalting the native people, flora, fauna and riches, influenced by ideas like the "noble savage" myth.

7 - National Anthem

Lyrics and translation are in the video.

As the national anthem, this is definitely the most important patriotic song of the country, sometimes criticizes for being too long and with too baroque lyrics. Nevertheless it's, together with the national flag, the most recognizable symbol of Brazil. Since Brazil never faced many wars or foreign threats, it (and also most of the songs listed here) has a much more pacific tone than most national anthems. The lyrics were written specifically to be the national anthem (that's why it doesn't have a proper name as other anthems) after the proclamation of the republic, however, the music was composed much earlier, and was widely used during the reign of Dom Pedro II.
Debate Round No. 2


Csareo forfeited this round.


It seems that my opponent has left this site before we could finish this debate. Nevertheless, he already presented a significant amount of songs in round 2, so this will still be a valid debate. Considering that he presented a greater amount of songs the I did so far, I decided, in the name of fairness, to present only as many songs on this round as necessary to equate my number of songs with my opponent's. Here they are:

8 - O Bêbado e a Equilibrista
(The Drunk and the Tightrope Walker)


Evening fell like a bridge
A drunk wearing a funeral suit
Reminded me of Chaplin’s tramp

The moon,
Like a brothel madam

Begged from each cold star
A rented shine

And clouds,
Up there in the blotting paper of the sky
Sucked on tortured stains,
What crazy agony
The drunk wearing a bowler hat
Was being irreverent
For Brazil’s night,
My Brazil
That dreams
With the return of Henfil’s brother
And with so many people who left
On the tail of a rocket

Our gentle motherland cries
Marias and Clarices cry
On Brazil’s soil
But I know
That pain this sharp
Won’t be in vain
Hope dances
On the tightrope with an umbrella
And with each step on this rope
It can get hurt
Bad luck,
But the balancing hope
Knows that each artist’s show
Must go on

This is one of the most known protest songs from the period of the military dictatorship (1964-1985), a prime example of the MPB style (Brazilian Popular Music) that flourished during the military regime. Performed by the extraordinary voice of Elis Regina, its popularity had a key role in the achievement of amnesty for the political exiles, who had left the country due to the repression during the worst period of the regime (1968-1973). It's full of remarkably clever metaphors, like "stars" meaning generals, "sky" meaning prisons and obviously, the "drunk", which is the whole system.

9 - Apesar de Você
(In Spite of You)


(Tomorrow will be another day…)

Today, you’re the one who calls the shots
It's said, it’s been spoken
There’s no arguing (no)
My people walk around today
Speaking to the side and looking at the ground (got it?)
You, who invented this state,
Invented by inventing
All darkness
You who invented sin
Forgot to invent forgiveness

In spite of you
Tomorrow shall be another day

I ask you, where will you hide
From the great euphoria?
How will you prohibit
When the rooster insists on crowing?
New water flowing,
And our people loving one another, without stopping

When the moment arrives
This suffering of mine
I’ll charge with interest (I swear)
All this repressed love
This contained scream
This samba in the dark

You who invented sadness
Come on, be so kind as to disinvent it
You’re going to pay – and doubled
Every tear shed
In this anguish of mine

In spite of you
Tomorrow shall be another day

I will still pay to see
The garden bloom
Like you didn’t want to

You’re going to become embittered
Seeing the day break
Without asking your permission
And I’m going to die of laughter
For that day shall come
Sooner than you think
In spite of you

In spite of you
Tomorrow shall be another day

You will have to see
The morning reborn
And pour out poetry

How will you explain to yourself
Seeing the sky clear, suddenly
With impunity?

How are you going to stifle
Our chorus singing
Right in front of you
In spite of you

In spite of you
Tomorrow shall be another day

You’re going to to be out of luck
Etcetera and so on
La laiá, la laiá, la….

This song is the proof that censorship is the most stupid thing invented by human kind. Chico Buarque had many of his songs censored by the regime, however this clearly subversive song was approved by the censors when the author said that it was a message to a rooster that mistakenly believed that the day only broke as a result of his song, until one night when the rooster lost track of time and realized that day broke in spite of him. The song immediately made a huge success - and it was right during the "lead years" of the dictatorship, until some rumors that the song was actually dedicated to president/general Médici appeared, and the song was finally censored, but it was too late: it had already become an anthem against the dictatorship.

10 - Que País é Esse?!
(What Kind of Country is this?!)


In the slums, in the Senate

There's mess everywhere
No one respects the Constitution
But everybody believes in the future of the nation

What kind of country is this?! (3x)

In Amazonas, Araguaia,

In the Fluminense lowlands,
Mato Grosso, Minas Gerais,
And in the Northeast, everything's in peace
I'll rest when my death comes
But the bloodshed goes on and on
Staining papers,
Truthful documents

To bosses and kingpins' relieve

What kind of country is this?! (3x)

This 3th world thing,
It's just foreign mockery

Brazil will get rich
We'll earn a million
When we sell all the souls
Of our indians

In an auction

What kind of country is this?! (3x)

Another protest song, but this time from a different period. In the 80s, democracy was finally on it's way, but there was still a general feeling that politics only benefited the same oligarchs of always, while the people languished in endless crisis, rampant inflation and generalized poverty. This song from the golden age of Brazilian rock by Legião Urbana still remains, in more than one way, disturbingly relevant today.

11 - País Tropical
(Tropical Country)

I live in a tropical country
Blessed by God

And beautiful by nature

What a beauty

In February
There is carnival
I have a fusca¹ and a guitar
I am Flamengo²
And I have a girlfriend named Teresa

Sambaby³, Sambaby
I may not be a band leader (that's right)
But even so, back home a
ll my friends, my little comrades look up to me (that's right)
that is the reason for the sympathy
For the power of the "something else" and for the joy.

1. Fusca: nickname of the VW beetle
2. Flamengo: most popular Brazilian football/soccer team
3. Sambaby: portmanteau of "samba" and "baby"

Leaving protest songs aside, this song portrays some of the most striking features of Brazilian culture, and has enjoyed large popularity since it was originally composed by Jorge Ben in 1969, and it had been recorded several times. This is the most recent version by Ivete Sangalo, in axé music style.

12 - Aquarela do Brasil
(Watercolor of Brazil)


My Brazilian Brazil
My cunning mulatto
I will sing of you in my verses
Oh, Brazil, samba that gives swing,
That makes people sway
Oh, Brazil of my love
Land of Our Lord

Brazil! Brazil!
For me... for me...

Ah, open the curtain of the past
Bring the Black Mother1 down from the cerrado
Place the Congo King2 in the congado3
Brazil! Brazil!
Let the minstrel sing again
In the melancholy moonlight
Every song of his love
I want to see the Bahian woman4
Trailing through the salons5
Her lacy skirts6

Brazil! Brazil!
For me... for me...

Good and savory land
Of the cunning dark-skinned woman
With an indiscreet gaze
Oh, Brazil, green that makes
The world amazed
Oh, Brazil of my love
Land of Our Lord

Brazil! Brazil!
For me... for me...

Oh, this palm tree that gives coconuts
Where I hang my hammock
On clear moonlight nights
Oh, hear these murmuring fountains
Where I slake my thirst
And where the moonlight comes to play
Oh, this Brazil, beautiful and swarthy
Is my Brazilian Brazil
Land of samba and pandeiro

Brazil! Brazil!
For me... for me...

1. Black Mother: main figure in the Ilê Aiyê fest
2. Congo King: a slave crowned in a traditional fest
3. Congado: feast of Our Lady of the Rosary
4. Bahian woman: metaphor for Black Brazil
5. Salons: metaphor for White Brazil
6. Lacy skirts: traditional costume of Bahian women

To end on a high note, this is probably the most famous Brazilian song in history, being a sort of unofficial anthem of the country. First recorded in the late 30s, it was featured in the Disney movie "Saludos Amigos" as the theme song of the Brazilian character Joe Carioca. The version presented here, was recorded by Gal Costa in 1980.
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Posted by Csareo 2 years ago
We Americans are always victorious.
Posted by joepbr 2 years ago
I think you shouldn't claim victory when it has barely started.
Posted by Csareo 2 years ago
I think this is an automatic victory ;)
Posted by xXCryptoXx 2 years ago
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