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atoy120
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KristinaC
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America's public education system is terrible

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Started: 3/13/2014 Category: Education
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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atoy120

Pro

1st round is acceptance.
KristinaC

Con

I accept your challenge. I will be arguing that it is not terrible.
Debate Round No. 1
atoy120

Pro

America's public education system sucks for a lot of reasons. First, we spend the most on it in the world and we are one of the worst in the world. We are 31st in math, 21st in reading, and 24th in science. So that means Obama's idea of making it rain doesn't work. Then there are too many idiot teachers who just blab on all day and give a crap load of homework which is pointless. No one actually learns, all it is is memorizing useless stuff and spitting it back on a test and forgetting about it a day later. I don't want a math related career, so why should I waste my time with anything above pre algebra. I have learned more screwing around the internet for 5 minutes than I have 7 months at school. Then all the schools focus on is making everyone feel good about themselves. They say "everyone is special". But if everyone is special, then no one is. And the schools waste their time with this anti-bullying stuff. Not everyone will get along with everyone.
KristinaC

Con

KristinaC forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
KristinaC

Con

Okay (and sorry bout that)
I am going to argue that the educational system is not terrible, it is just imperfect.
Although it is true that or the money we spend on schooling in general and our results compared to other countries aren't equal, the issue here are the variables that make up our education system as a while compared to other countries. The United States system is more diverse: we have schools that are placed in areas with cultures that are not geared towards education specifically but other things such as helping their families or even their personal lives. Because we have a more diverse culture, the students in our system will have different levels of interest in schooling in larger amounts than in other countries that may have less diverse cultures.
Thus comparing our school system to their schools is not going to be equal.
Next; the American educational although being called a failure is still procuring students who are able to rise to the top who have gone through our system and are able to compete with those who are the best that are being sent from other countries. This points to the idea that it is not that the system is horrible but just not suited to everyone. If it were completely terrible the we would not be able to compete at all but be completely beaten out by other students.
This also points to the idea that there is a shift in interest in education compared to other cultures. Other cultures have more respect for and dependence on education that our own culture has here. This can be shown by media, and government focus as well as the cultures themselves. Foreign countries are more in retested in comet wing with us than we are of them. They pick the best of their students and send them to our colleges to earn an education before the student comes back to use what they learned from the Americans and use the skill in their own country. What this tells us is that other countries still value out system and are using our system. These are also peoples oh have no where else to be successful in so to pressure to do well in school is higher than in our country where we encourage making money in other ways that make you happy.
The example is your own; file you may not like math and prefer doing another career another foreign student also does not like math but the other careers will not make enough money, so they suck it up and focus on math or sciences so they get a degree in something that will make money, not necessarily make them happy.

The idea of being able to choose your career based on personal preference is a luxury.

Also as a student who also has a major that was not taught about in school and had to learnon my own, that does not mean the system is terrible as it still gave us other skills in reading English and math and science which are the main majors and still required for most colleges to have an understanding in. It fulfills a requirement that you will have to go through with knowing at at least one point in your life. English for example is what your are using right now to have a debate. That fact that you have been given an education in it means that the system has succeed in some way to teach you a skill, meaning it is not terrible but beneficial in some way meaning it is not terrible.
It may not be perfect as the schools didn't teach very single thing; but even so the college systems still yeah majors based on what you want to take so you will still acquire those skills. Don't forget that colleges are a part of our system too although we tend I talk more about the first levels. The colleges are also still the best in the world.
Debate Round No. 3
atoy120

Pro

Our entire culture is not geared towards education. The system only works with one type of student, so of course some will be able to compete with the best. The best learners are the ones who learn on their own. We are not communists, so choosing your own career is not really a luxury. The schools try to teach too much. Who needs anything above pre algebra. Unless you want to be an engineer or a scientist or something like that. It's a waste of time to do 6 years of useless math. There is no depth in history class, all they taught me for until 9th grade was the revolutionary war which no one cares about. Writing is a waste of time, nobody wants to be an author anymore. Some science is useless, who cares about how many valence electrons are in a carbon atom. You are wasting your time talking about the college majors and stuff, I was talking about elementary through high school.
KristinaC

Con

KristinaC forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Kleptin 3 years ago
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