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tejretics
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Loverboy56
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Animal Rights

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tejretics
Voting Style: Open Point System: Select Winner
Started: 2/10/2015 Category: Society
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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tejretics

Pro

This is the Animal Rights debate. I will debate for the proposition. The rules are as follows:
1. In Round 1, I have thus revealed the rules. Con can begin the debate with the first argument and MUST FORFEIT ROUND 5.
2. In this debate, ANIMAL WELFARE being opposed to ANIMAL RIGHTS is STRICTLY DISALLOWED. The argument by Con must be against BOTH ANIMAL WELFARE AND ANIMAL RIGHTS.
3. All arguments should be pertaining to the definitions GIVEN BELOW, and definitions from other dictionaries, or any other definitions will NOT BE ACCEPTED unless the word has not been defined below.
4. Arguments involving euthanasia or related concepts are NOT PERMITTED, and any such presented arguments will result in my immediate 7-point victory.
5. Violation of the rules also results in my immediate 7-point victory.

For voters:
The debate will be on the simple decision of "WINNER" or "LOSER".

The definitions are given below.
1. "Animal" is hereby defined as a sentient multicellular eukaryotic organism of the kingdom Animalia, with the ability to process pain and/or emotions. Sponges and simple polyps and medusans, for example, are excluded from this defining category; according to this definition, only fairly complex non-human species of the kingdom Animalia with a proper nervous system and the ability of a level of motion. Primarily, this debate deals with: mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibians, fish, cephalopods, gastropods, arthropods, echinoderms and annelids. Cnidarians and sponges (sponges, jellyfish, polyps, coral etc.) are not applicable in this debate, because of lack of complex nervous systems.
2. "Animal rights" is the idea that non-human animals (according to the above definition) are entitled to the POSSESSION of their own lives.
3. "Possession of their own lives" refers to the fact that animals must not be exploited for human purposes, and must not be manipulated thus; UNLESS: The purpose is for the betterment of the animal itself or another animal.
Loverboy56

Con

No offence to animals( i have a dog) but animals have no rights and why should they? they cant talk so really what is the point?
Debate Round No. 1
tejretics

Pro

Are you saying that, because animals to do not express communication in human language, they can be tested on, tormented in Spanish bullfights and eaten? That is a diabolical idea.

*** Why Sentience Is Not Limited To Speech ***
What is "sentience"?
Sentience is the ability to feel things, including emotions and pain. Research has proven that all animals ("animals" as defined in Round 1) feel pain, and pain is not something any creature psychologically or physically deserves. To inflict pain on animals for, as an example, human entertainment, is unethical.

***Ethics***
From the beginning of civilization, human society has adapted to further accommodate the psychologically complex human brain. Our thoughts are biologically programmed to protect our species; for this, society created ethics and morals. One may argue that morals apply only to humans, but, in reality, "morality" involves psychological compassion. Compassion to animals also develops compassion to our own species. Most people are unaware of the horrendous abuse that animals endure everyday; lab tests on animals have been proven unnecessary and are yet practiced by a variety of companies; animals are killed for ENTERTAINMENT (Spanish bullfighting) et cetera. Animals have the same ability to feel pain as humans, and many can even feel emotions. To help forge society, humans created a concept of ethics, based on the stronger psychology of human beings. While one can argue that ethics is only mutual, and meant for intra-human relationships, why do animals not deserve similar respect from humans? All sentient beings deserve respect. An animal may kill a human, and yet that animal is psychologically made to do such a thing; ethics is too complex for animals to practice. Humans, though, have the ability to extend compassion, and animals deserve this compassion.
Animals are an important portion to the world's evolution. Why do animals deserve to be treated equally to humans? Many years ago, humans created the concept of ethics, where an advanced psychological being, the human, treats another with emotions and psychological environmental-fostering such as compassion. By these ethics, murder and torture, for example, are considered crimes, as is cannibalism. While one could argue that it is biologically necessary for humans to help each other for the survival of the human species, ethics was, in fact, made as the framework of civilization and society for humanity. So, humans gave rights and welfare great importance. Yet, why are animals not given the same respect? As the legendary Mahatma Gandhi said, "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Why do other non-human species deserve such equal respect?
1. Animals can feel emotions and physical impulses. They feel pain, et cetera.
2. By the basic human concept of ethics, they do not deserve any direct infliction of pain by humans, bound to follow these ethics by society.
3. Humans have caused great harm and destruction to the Earth, while animals have merely helped the ecosystem balance.
4. Animals cannot commit "crimes". What an animal does is morally justifiable as animals have a varied notion of "ethics", and do not have the psychological complexity to understand these ethical propositions. Therefore, animals have not committed crimes, and do not deserve infliction of pain.
Research on dogs and arthropods at the University of Lincoln showed that these animals react to stimuli by a nervous charge pattern similar to that of humans while experiencing emotions, proving that animals are capable of emotions. The assignment of different moral treatment to animals and humans is a form of discrimination called speciesism, that must be abolished. Jeremy Bentham, the founder of the reforming utilitarian school of moral philosophy, stated that when deciding on a being"s rights, "The question is not 'Can they reason?' nor 'Can they talk?' but 'Can they suffer?'" In that passage, Bentham points to the capacity for suffering as the vital characteristic that gives a being the right to equal consideration. The capacity for suffering is not just another characteristic like the capacity for language or higher mathematics. All animals have the ability to suffer in the same way and to the same degree that humans do. They feel pain, pleasure, fear, frustration, loneliness, and motherly love. Whenever we consider doing something that would interfere with their needs, we are morally obligated to take them into account. Why are we morally obligated to do so? It is because humans created the concept of morality. Morality is a subtle thing, and a subject of human psychology. Biologically, the human's developed morality intuitively to ensure the genetic survival of the human race, and for the survival of the human race, we need a balance in the ecosystem. Slaughtering animals destroys the balance of the ecosystem in a variety of ways. Some of these are described below:

1. Raising them for slaughter: For the formation of factory-farms, or any slaughter farms, there is a massive encroachment of wildlife, that results in the destruction of forests. According to the Worldwide Fund for Wildlife (WWF), 31% of the total land area is covered by forests; ideally, 46% of the Earth's land mass would have to be covered by forests for a balanced ecosystem.

2. Hunting: Hunting creates an imbalance in any habitat-ecosystem, by reducing the population of animals.

In his book "Animal Liberation", moral philosopher Peter Singer states, "The basic principle of equality is not equal treatment, it is equal CONSIDERATION." This equal consideration, I believe, must be given to non-human animals, or we violate morality. Morality is necessary for the maintenance of society and civilization.

Conclusion: Animals deserve equal respect, welfare, and rights and do not deserve to be treated in cruel conditions of factory farming, slaughterhouses, laboratories that practice animal testing et etera

Sources - Environmental Values: Why the Naive Argument against Moral Vegetarianism Really is Naive; Journal of Popular Culture: Configuring the Human in Western History; The Great Ape Project: Equality Beyond Humanity; The Case for Animal Rights by Tom Regan (Professor Emeritus of Philosophy, North Carolina State University); Animal Liberation by Peter Singer; http://www.worldwildlife.org...
Loverboy56

Con

Loverboy56 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
tejretics

Pro

I extend my arguments from Round 2.
Loverboy56

Con

Okay I never said that I said that animals shouldn't have the right to voice anything they want. You have to understand that. I love animals because I grew up with a lot of animals. I grew up on a farm. You are telling me that you think that animals can be eaten? I would hate to have that happen. So you can stop blaming me for such a bad thing!!!!
Debate Round No. 3
tejretics

Pro

I am not blaming you. Since you accepted as the Con of the debate, it means that you are completely AGAINST animal rights, the definition to which is given in the first round. If you have accepted this debate, you must argue AGAINST the opinion that animals are entitled to the possession of their lives.
To further enhance this, I will give you definitions:
Debate: "A formal discussion on a particular matter in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward and which usually ends with a vote."
Against: "In opposition to."
Opposition: "Resistance or dissent, expressed in action or argument."
All definitions from the Oxford Dictionary of English (American Edition: 2015).
Therefore, as the topic is animal rights, defined in Round 1 as "the idea that animals are entitled to the possession of their own lives", you have to express resistance or dissent in an argument against the concept of animal rights in accordance with all definitions, and I must present proposing arguments and rebuttals as to why animal rights is an idea. You are thus against animal rights by the terms and conditions of the debates of DDO itself. Thus, my arguments are valid. I request the opposition to present a proper argument (as presented by them in Round 1) for the next round, as it will be the opposition's last argument. The opposition MUST forfeit Round 5.

Source(s): Oxford Dictionary of English, American edition (2015); http://www.oxforddictionaries.com...; http://en.wikipedia.org...; http://www.oxforddictionaries.com...; http://www.oxforddictionaries.com...
Loverboy56

Con

Hey stand up for your words that's okay because I know is that if an animal could talk the animal would be mad at both of us. But anyway, what I said was that animals can't protest against what we protest against okay? Look animals should have rights like they can't be killed but kids can't convince the government to do thus sort of thing okay? Animals may need rights but right now the only think we can do is stand up for them okay? I am sorry if you misunderstood me.
Debate Round No. 4
tejretics

Pro

When I said "animal rights", I did not mean animals having constitutional rights. I meant that animals must be treated as individual beings, with compassion, and not as human property. I also meant that animals should not be subjected to abuse. So, standing up for animals is what I meant. I defined what I meant while saying "animal rights" in the first round, and yet you have taken it in a completely different definition. "Animals having rights" is NOT what I mean when I say animal rights; as defined CLEARLY in Round 1, "animal rights" is the idea that humans do not possess animals and do not control them. Humans, thus, cannot subject them to abuse. For example, having a pet dog as a companion means you must treat the pet dog with love, affection, and compassion; the dog is not your property, he/she is your friend. Therefore, you have used a different definition of the term animal rights. Standing up for animals IS animal rights. So, the two of us have the same beliefs and are standing on the same side of the argument. As mentioned, "All arguments should be pertaining to the definitions GIVEN BELOW, and definitions from other dictionaries, or any other definitions will NOT BE ACCEPTED unless the word has not been defined below." Also, "Violation of the rules also results in my immediate 7-point victory." Therefore, since you used a different definition for animal rights, you have violated the rules, resulting in my immediate victory. My arguments were better and more refined, and my opponent forfeited one round and used different definitions, thus breaking the rules. "No offence to animals( i have a dog) but animals have no rights and why should they? they cant talk so really what is the point?" This sentence is riddled with grammatical errors; "I" is not capitalized, "They" is not capitalized in the beginning of the sentence, and "so really what is the point?" is a completely incorrect phrase. Thus, my conduct, arguments and spelling and grammar were better. I also used much better sources, and my opponent used none. Please vote for me. Thanks to @LoverBoy56 for accepting this debate, and for wanting to be kind to animals. The world deserves more compassion than humans give it, and we must give the world that compassion by animals. My opponent MUST forfeit Round 5, as stated in the rules.
Loverboy56

Con

Loverboy56 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Josh_debate 1 year ago
Josh_debate
Are you saying that animals can't be killed for any reason
Posted by TheSymbiote 1 year ago
TheSymbiote
Animals have no rights lol. There is no need to debate it
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Vote Placed by Paleophyte 1 year ago
Paleophyte
tejreticsLoverboy56
Who won the debate:Vote Checkmark-
Reasons for voting decision: Two rounds forfeited by Con and the few arguments he made were brief and lacking in coherence.
Vote Placed by lannan13 1 year ago
lannan13
tejreticsLoverboy56
Who won the debate:Vote Checkmark-
Reasons for voting decision: Multiple Forfeits and Con didn't really refute Pro.