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Animal and Human Cloning

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Started: 4/10/2014 Category: Science
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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ConsForCloning

Con

The dictionary definition of cloning is an "organism that is genetically identical to the unit or individual from which it was derived." Many people agree this is unethical due to the plain idea of it going against human nature. Through these disputes, laws about the allowance of cloning vary among countries, according to health guidance, with the controversy of cloning and the legal side and people's ideas of ethics society is at risk of riots. One experiment that made this dispute a phenomena would be the famous Dolly the Sheep produced by Ian Wilmut. However, with one successful clone 277 other sheep that had deformities or died quickly after the experiment stood right before Dolly as said by the 101realstory. According to the University of Utah the success rate for cloning animals is 0.1-3%, to put that in perspective out of 999 individuals, only 29 did not end in failure. Ethics can be defined as moral principles, killing innocent creatures is one the majority can agree is not right.
CloningIsGreat41

Pro

Cloning animals and humans may have an unethical aspect to them, but the pros for the use of clones in our society far outweigh the cons. Cloning organs, rather than organisms, will allow for the perfection of the ability to clone without the loss of many innocent animals" lives. The cloning of organs from a man in need of a transplant will give the person an organ that perfectly matches their body, both in genetics and because the organ is a near-exact copy from the original. Simon Smith, the writer of humancloning.org, states that cloning will give scientists a way to break through the barriers of some "incurable" diseases, like cancer, through the study of cell differentiation. Along with the ability to experiment on diseases, scientists will be able to study how the genes of one person react in multiple environments through the same life cycle. Through this method of experimentation, scientists can discover what is caused through nature and what is hardwired into genetics.
Debate Round No. 1
ConsForCloning

Con

Though cloning has the possibility to advance in medicine and offer more transplants, not all clones come out the way they are intended to. There is also the discrimination one could face against the many individuals that are indifferent towards the process. As children we are brought up to believe cloning or copying is wrong, whether it be on the playground when someone tells you not to be a copycat or writing an essay and reminding yourself plagiarism is wrong. So it is no surprise that human clones or a person"s body part that is a clone would feel as though they were a negative addition, though that may not be true, some organizations in society feel this way. There is also the fact, clones are a mirror image of something or someone that already was, which can lead to physiological distress because they feel they need to follow in their footsteps according to West Virginia University. Feeling the tension of the press and the pressure of having to meet the expectations is crucial to their mental state of stress. Also, the University of Utah explains how clones can have the defect of "large offspring syndrome" this means their organs can be larger than most causing problems to breathing and blood flow. As for any type of cloning; humans, animals, single organs, health guidance explains how genes that are already forty years of age put into someone younger is suspected to affect life expectancy. The reprogramming of the nucleus of the somatic cell can also lead to cancer as stated by debatewise.
CloningIsGreat41

Pro

Just because a clone is a genetic copy of an organism"s DNA does not mean the clone will become an exact replica of the original organism. The way a person looks and acts is not completely based on the DNA they are given. And as for the "need to follow in their footsteps" part, we are taught to be freethinking people, and to use our free will to live our lives the way we see fit. According to the Cloning Fact Sheet, cloning can occur in nature, and Identical Twins are considered a form, although not perfect, of cloning. Cloned animals are able to provide a higher amount of food in our world, where the effects of population growth are rendering our food supplies worthless. These cloned organisms are also able to help better our understanding of medicine and disease.
Debate Round No. 2
ConsForCloning

Con

Although we are taught to be freethinking individuals, cloning counteracts that thought. Which is why some clones carry the burden to be exactly like someone else. Due to cloning genetic diversity is at risk as well as the capacity mankind has to adapt. Evolution is not allowed to follow its natural footsteps according to health guidance. Dr. Dan Brock suggest eugenics, manipulation of characteristics, is a new trend. This concept is said to resemble that of what the Nazis did to the race of Aryan Superhumans in the thought of eliminating the "undesired'" traits as well as people according to debatewise. Also in offering the option for desired traits the cost will only allow the wealthier class to have what society may think as "perfect offspring" causing social and political issues. Cloning also brings the risk of overpopulation because now single people would be able to have more children without needing a partner.
CloningIsGreat41

Pro

You say that cloning what was once natural goes against nature, but then suggest the manipulation of our genes to make the perfect humans as an alternative? Cloning, although the DNA of the clone is not naturat, comes from a point in time when the base of the cloning was natural. According to the cloning fact sheet, the use of cloning is the most effective way to perfect DNA splicing, the most effective form of eugenics. Without cloning, the eugenics you suggested would take many years longer to complete. All forms of media in the world are based off of something else, why not do that with humans? Rather than hampering the evolutionary processes, making clones that are free from diseases that may have killed the individual that the clone was based on shows an evolutionary step.
Debate Round No. 3
ConsForCloning

Con

Twins are natural because humans don"t have any manipulation over it, intentionally making something identical to something else is manipulation and unnatural. Making perfect humans is what will become of cloning as Dr. Dan Brock suggests. As for the protection of diseases, there is always risk of an infection that clones could not defend, thus killing them because they are genetically the same they wouldn"t be able to repel differently in comparison to non-clones. Plus society has to put in perspective the cost of all these genetic experiments, according to Matthew Herper. Egg donors are paid between 3,000 to 5,000 dollars. One experiment took 71 eggs. Also according to Peter Mombaerts, a scientist, he did an experiment that cost 2,000 dollars just on mice, if it were done on humans it would cost 2 million dollars. Dolly the sheep was estimated to cost 5,000,000 British pounds.
CloningIsGreat41

Pro

Clones will be expensive at first, yes. But the use of clones will open up many more job opportunities. The cost of the ability to make clones is outweighed by the technological advancements that will come out of the clones. Clones will provide humanity ways to counteract many genetic disorders that kill thousands each day. If we were to not use clones, the genetic diseases that devastate families every day will continue to take their toll.
Debate Round No. 4
ConsForCloning

Con

Genetic diseases will always come up, even cloning could go wrong, and the results are not definite. In addition to the idea of a disease that clones cannot fight against, that would result with multiple people killed because their genetic makeup was the same. Non-clones at least have the advantage to defend themselves in different ways, which will lead humanity to the cure. Clones would only repeat the process of them being taken over by the disease. As for the job opportunities, it"s true it gives people work, but what about boycotts or riots? According to debatewise, religious groups such as Catholicism and Judaism believe the process of cloning is "playing God." In their beliefs such things are blasphemous. The discrimination from these people will cause riots, which in turn, leads to political/social problems. This will be due to the questioning of ethics and what should be legal or not. Leon R. Kass believes failure to produce scientific reasons against technology doesn"t mean we should deny our instinct of what is right. The miracle of life use to be described as special as well as unique and cloning takes away the beautiful, individual qualities nature processes us with. In a world where being your own person is always advertised it is slowly being taken away.
CloningIsGreat41

Pro

Clones will be expensive at first, yes. But the use of clones will open up many more job opportunities. The cost of the ability to make clones is outweighed by the technological advancements that will come out of the clones. Clones will provide humanity ways to counteract many genetic disorders that kill thousands each day. If we were to not use clones, the genetic diseases that devastate families every day will continue to take their toll.
Debate Round No. 5
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