Antisemitism can be justified by Torah
I will prove that "Antisemitism" or prejudice against Jews is something which God warned Jews in Torah. I will start my debate with Introductions.
Antisemitism may be manifested in many ways, ranging from expressions of hatred of or discrimination against individual Jews to organized violent attacks by mobs, state police, or even military attacks on entire Jewish communities. Although the term did not come into common usage until the 19th century, it is now also applied to historic anti-Jewish incidents. Notable instances of persecution include the pogroms which preceded the First Crusade in 1096, the expulsion from England in 1290, the massacres of Spanish Jews in 1391, the persecutions of the Spanish Inquisition, the expulsion from Spain in 1492, Cossack massacres in Ukraine of 1648–1657, various pogroms in Imperial Russia between 1821 and 1906, the 1894–1906 Dreyfus affair in France, the Holocaust in German-occupied Europe, official Soviet anti-Jewish policies and Arab and Muslim involvement in the Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries.
(2) Origins of Jews:
Abraham was called by God to settle in a land which was already settled by the descendants of Canaan, but God promised it to Abraham and his descendants. Arabs are the descendants of Ishmael and Jews are the descendants of Isaac, the two sons of Abraham.
The Israelites were a Semitic people of the Ancient Near East, who inhabited part of Canaan. The term "Israelites" is the English term (derived from the ancient Greek) for the Hebrew biblical term Bnei Yisrael which properly translates as either "Sons of Israel" or "Children of Israel", and refers both to the direct descendants of the patriarch Jacob as well as the historical populations of the United Kingdom of Israel and Judah. In the post-exilic period, beginning in the 5th century BCE, the two known remnants of the Israelite tribes came to be referred to as Jews and Samaritans, inhabiting the territories of Judea, Galilee and Samaria. Other terms sometimes used include the "Hebrews" and the "Twelve Tribes" (of Israel).
The Israelite story begins with some of the culture heroes of the Jewish people, the Patriarchs. The Torah traces the Israelites to the patriarch Jacob, grandson of Abraham, who was renamed Israel after a mysterious incident in which he wrestles all night with an angel. Jacob's twelve sons (in order of birth), Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph and Benjamin, become the ancestors of twelve tribes, with the exception of Joseph, whose two sons Mannasseh and Ephraim, who were adopted by Jacob, become tribal eponyms (Genesis 48).
Torah (Hebrew: תּוֹרָה, "Instruction", "Teaching"), or what is often referred to in English as Pentateuch, is the central concept in the religious Judiac tradition. It has a range of meanings: it can most specifically mean the first five books of the twenty four books of the Tanakh; it usually includes the rabbinic commentaries in it; the term Torah means instruction and offers a way of life for those who follow it; it can mean the continued narrative from Genesis to the end of the Tanakh; it can even mean the totality of Jewish teaching, culture and practice. Common to all these meanings, Torah consists of the foundational narrative of the Jewish people: their call into being by God, their trials and tribulations, and their covenant with their God, which involves following a way of life embodied in a set of religious obligations and civil laws (Halakha).
Torah's first five books:
Genesis: "origin" (Hebrew: Bereshit - "In the beginning")
Exodus: "going out" (Hebrew: Shemot - "Names")
Leviticus: "relating to the Levites" (Hebrew: Vayikra, - "And he called")
Numbers: numbering of the Israelites (Hebrew: Ba Midbar - "In the wilderness")
Deuteronomy: "second law" (Hebrew: D'varim - "Words"
(4) Jews as the chosen people:
In Judaism, "chosenness" is the belief that the Jews are the chosen people, chosen to be in a covenant with God. This idea is first found in the Torah (the first five books of the Tanakh, which are also included in the Christian Bible) and is elaborated on in later books of the Hebrew Bible. Much is written about these topics in rabbinic literature. The three largest Jewish denominations—Orthodox Judaism, Conservative Judiasm and Reform Judaism—maintain the belief that the Jews have been chosen by God for a purpose.
According to the Israel Democracy Institue, approximately two thirds of Israeli Jews believe that Jews are the "chosen people".
Now, moving further with my argument. We believe that God has chosen the Jews. Christians and Muslims also believe in the notion, Bible and Qur'an testify that Jews have been chosen by God.
"O children of Israel, remember my favor which I bestowed upon you, and that I favored you above all creation. (Qur'an 2:47)"
Jews are chosen people but chosen for what? Certainly race is not the reason because common beliefs signify that God is not a rasict. Jews were chosen for a purpose and that purpose is given in Torah. In the second book of the Bible called Exodus, Moses is made to say.
Exodus 19:5-6 "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people; For all the earth is mine. And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation."
That is the purpose they were chosen for, Jews are supposed to be a kingdom of priests, to guide mankind to the knowledge of God. That was the purpose why God chose Jews. But Jews are done away with their role. Now whatever happened to them for the past 2000 years is on account that Jews have lost that Purpose.
And then God says to Jews, if they do not carry out the duties imposed upon Jews for making them the Chosen people..
Leviticus 26:18 "And after all this, if you do not obey Me, I will punish you seven times more for your sins"
Anybody else, commits one crime will get one punishment in return. But for Jews God says "I will punish you SEVEN TIMES MORE for your sins".
It's nobody else, it's God warning Jews in their own book of "Authority". And then God says..
Leviticus 26:21 "Then, if you walk contrary to Me, and are not willing to obey Me, I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins."
Refering to the Jews, then God says..
Leviticus 26:28 "Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins."
I am not sure when Hitler incinerated 6 million Jews, it was six times or seven times. But this is according to the Promise made by God to Jews, to their nation. That if they go contrary to His will this is the punishment in store for Jews.
Then God warns the Jews in their own Holy Bible. In the last and final will of Moses, in the book of Deuteronomy which is fifth book. Moses speaking..
Deuteronomy 28:68 "And the Lord shall bring thee into egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you."
God says though He have freed Jews from Egypt(Exodus), He promises Jews that he will bring them back into egypt again. And their they will be sold as slaves.
Only once Jews have been in bondage so far that was in Exodus. God promises Jews a second time, a second bondage for them. "No man shall buy you", Jews will be worthless that no men will want to own them.
In next round I will point out, how Jews have failed in their Purpose.
Accepted. Thanks to Yusef94 for initiating this debate, and for selecting me as his opponent.
discrimination against or prejudice or hostility toward Jews.
v. jus·ti·fied, jus·ti·fy·ing, jus·ti·fies
1. To demonstrate or prove to be just, right, or valid: justified each budgetary expense as necessary; anger that is justified by the circumstances.
2. To declare free of blame; absolve.
3. To free (a human) of the guilt and penalty attached to grievous sin. Used of God.
Please do not show any new 'Contradictions' because I cannot refute them, because this is my first & last rebuttal.
Before I'd go to my rebuttal I want to point out how my resolution and my opening argument are the same thing as one and Con herself proved it .
Con states that "There is a large difference in justification of anti-Semitism by the Torah and G-d warning the Jews about anti-Semitism."
"I would agree that in the Torah there are certain warnings for Jews concerning future mistreatment; however, anti-Semitism in itself is not justified by the Jewish holy book."
Now after reading Con's first and second statements read this.
Antisemitism is something which God warned Jews in Torah and can be justified by Torah or Torah's verses. And then read the verses I stated in previous round.
I am sure I don't need to elaborate about my resolution and opening argument any further.
"However, Pro has centred his debate around the religious aspects to anti-Semitism, but to assess the term and the history of anti-jewish agenda one has to include the fact that "anti-Semitism" attempts to define the Jews as a race--not just a religious group."
I agree with Con. In the previous round I stated the "Origins of Jews" in which it's mentioned that "The Israelites were a Semitic people". If God warned Jews in their book of authority about Anti-Semitism then it is restricted to them. Now let's analyse the meaning of Semitic.
"Today, the word "Semite" may be used to refer to any member of any of a number of peoples of ancient Middle East including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews (Jews), Arabs, and their descendants."
Read more about semitic people(http://en.wikipedia.org...)
But Anti-Semitic notions were towards Jews and not Arabs. So attempts to define Jews as a race cannot possibly relate to Anti-Semitic notions if one considers the exact text book definitions. So in order to understand the subject properly one needs to consider the following points.
1) Torah is a book of Authority for Jews only.
2) Anti-Semitism is something god promised Jews if they don't follow his will.(Leviticus 26:18, 26:21, 26:28)
3) Anti-Semitism cannot be related to race because being Jew is not a race.
"The Holocaust was in fact a case of not "religious" cleansing but "ethnic" cleasning. An estimated six million Jews were killed not exclusively because of their affiliation to Judaism but rather of perceived racial identity."
Again I agree with Con but there is no point of such statements in this debate. Whether it was "religious" or "ethnic" either way Jews were massacred by a very large number. The motive behind the killings has no relevance because evidently Goddidn't tell hitler or others who shared anti-semitic notions to commit such an act.
When God promised Jews in Leviticus "Then, if you walk contrary to Me, and are not willing to obey Me, I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins." then he didn't mention anywhere in Torah that he will be creating "Religious motives" pricisely.
Even If he did then I ask Con to provide that particular verse and maybe then her statement will have some relevance. Hence Con's all invalid claims such as "This again highlights that anti-Jewish attitutes and behaviours are not entirely connected to Judaism, or the Torah." are in vain.
"Note that the Jews were not sold in Egypt as slaves for a second time."
Con misunderstood my claim.
As it's evident that I never mentioned that Jews were sold as slaves for the second time. I said "God promises Jews a second time, a second bondage for them.". God promised Jews the land of canaan and the prophecy was fulfilled even now Jews are living in Israel. Similarly, I believe that Jews believe in their lord, so they can't deny God's promise. It didn't happen yet doesn't necessarily means it will never happen, if Jews don't fulfill their purpose.
Having said that it didn't happen in egypt though but I want to point it out. "Based on questionable numbers from Josephus, it has been estimated that the Romans vanquish of the Galilee resulted with 100,000 Jews killed or sold into slavery" First Jewish–Roman War. Vespasian's campaign.
Another example can be given after the Hebrews had began to settle in many African countries mainly on the west and east coast(Egypt), The Arab slave trade started, where Hebrews were led captive into all the Arab countries (Arabia, so called mid east and North Africa). Arab Slavery started 1000 years before the European slave trade.
Anyway even if these events don't resemble the prophecy. It will happen maybe in future indeed as God promised to them, that is if Jews believe in their book of authority.
"As for your interpretation: "Jews will be worthless that no men will want to buy them". On the contrary, the verse in Devarim 28:68 could imply added worth and added expense--this certainly coincides with the historical context of Egyptian slavery."
Are Curses for Disobedience
"15 However, if you do not obey the Lord your God and do not carefully follow all his commands and decrees I am giving you today,all these curses will come on you and overtake you:
16 You will be cursed in the city and cursed in the country."
Now, the verses preceding Deuteronomy 28:68
"66 You will live in constant suspense, filled with dread both night and day, never sure of your life. 67 In the morning you will say, “If only it were evening!” and in the evening, “If only it were morning!”—because of the terror that will fill your hearts and the sights that your eyes will see."
It's clear from the context that Lord is not praising the "added worth" instead he is cursing if Jews don't obey, which implies the term"worthless" instead.
"Throughout the Torah G-ds commitment and devotion to the Jewish people is consistently underlined. In the very same chapter of Devarim"
God's "commitment" and "devotion" only if they obey.
These verses are under Deuteronomy 28
Are Blessings for Obedience:
However Anti-semitism is not for obedience else it wouldn't be "Anti-Semitism".
"Jews were not exclusively chosen just for a purpose."
In Exodus 19:
"1 On the first day of the third month after the Israelites left Egypt—on that very day—they came to the Desert of Sinai. 2 After they set out from Rephidim, they entered the Desert of Sinai, and Israel camped there in the desert in front of the mountain. 3 Then Moses went up to God, and the Lord called to him from the mountain and said, “This is what you are to say to the descendants of Jacob and what you are to tell the people of Israel: 4 ‘You yourselves have seen what I did to Egypt, and how I carried you on eagles’ wings and brought you to myself."
Then in Exodus 19:
"5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, 6 you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites."
Which suggests clearly that Jews were exclusively chosen for a "purpose".
"the suggestion is that the Hebrews, prior to the receiving of the Torah on Mount Sinai and entering the land of Israel, were a moral and good people"
For that from Deuteronomy, Moses himself Cursing Jews
"And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, That Moses commanded the Levites(Jews), which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying, Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the LORD; and how much more after my death? Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to record against them. For I know that after my death ye will become utterly corrupt, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands. (Deuteronomy 31:25-29)"
"This shows that G-d had faith in the Jews and knew that they could fulfill his wishes. Otherwise, they would have simply not been chosen."
And again instead, the emphasis falls on the idea that the Jewish people were chosen to receive the laws of Torah. Duties, to fulfill a mission rather than to take on entitlements and privileges. Chosenness is about accepting, an ethical “light unto the nations” (Isaiah 42:6).
It would be a perversion of the idea of election if it were turned into an argument in support of unequal treatment for the non-elect. But their special status was conditioned upon obeying God, standing for truth and establishing peace and justice on earth, "kingdom of priests and a holy nation".
Quoting verses out of Torah(Consideration depends on Con)
"DANIEL 9:11 - YEA ALL ISRAEL, HAVE TRANSGRESSED YOUR LAW, EVEN BY DEPARTING THAT THEY MIGHT NOT OBEY YOUR VOICE. THEREFORE, THE CURSE IS POURED UPON US, AND THE OATH THAT IS WRITTEN IN THE LAW OF MOSES THE SERVANT OF YHWH, BECAUSE WE HAVE SINNED AGAINST HIM."
"HOSEA 4:6 -- MY PEOPLE (Israel) ARE DESTROYED FOR THE LACK OF KNOWLEDGE: BECAUSE YOU HAVE REJECTED KNOWLEDGE, I WILL ALSO REJECT YOU, THAT YOU SHALL BE NO PRIEST TO ME: SEEING YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN THE LAW OF YOUR HOLY ONE, I WILL ALSO FORGET YOUR CHILDREN."
"LUKE 21: 22-24 FOR THESE BE THE DAYS OF VENGEANCE, THAT ALL THINGS WHICH ARE WRITTEN MAY BE FULFILLED (Lev 26 Deut 28)"
"EZEKIEL 16:25 YOU HAVE BUILD YOUR HIGH PLACE AT EVERY HEAD OF THE WAY (corner), AND HAVE MADE YOUR BEAUTY TO BE DESPISED, AND HAVE OPENED YOUR FEET TO EVERY ONE THAT PASSED BY, AND MULTIPLIED YOUR WHOREDOM."
"Jeremiah 8:8 How can you say, 'We [The Jews] are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie."
Are all these prophets Anti-Semites? They hate Jews & they Hate themselves?
Note that providing "contradictions" or rather "rebuttals" is simply part of a debate--perhaps Pro should have chosen more rounds in order to refute further arguments.
In order for the examples to be valid they have to resemble the prophecy, otherwise they bare no relevance to the debate. The fact it there is no recorded examples of the prophecy coming true according to context it is stated in within Devarim 28:68.
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