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Started: 3/2/2015 Category: Technology
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Ed_Chen

Pro

In this debate, I will debate anything that falls under the category of technology.
My opponent shall choose what we are debating on given that is related to technology.

1st round:Confirmation
2nd round:Arguements
3rd round:Rebuttals
4th round: Conclusions
Chinara_O

Con

I argue that not everything falls in to the category of technology . Technology stands in a crucial part of the modern society but it's not necessarily mean that everything including in this age must be related to technology.In other words, it's just a catalyst for the process of our modernization but not the spinal column of existence.
Debate Round No. 1
Ed_Chen

Pro

My argument will rest entirely on logic, for this topic is especially hard to debate on.


Proof that Everything is Tech
1)Tech is built around the concept of convenience
2)The definition Tech=a tool
3)Tools are something that affects humans lives' in some way shape or form
4)Humans' main goal of life is convenience
Technology is all built around the basic concept of convenience. Our lives have become more and more convenient with every new technological advancement that humans make. For example, the invention of the first wheel thoroughly shows that humans have long aspired to make life more convenient even with the smallest and most basic inventions. The wheel may not seem like a big invention now; but was still a new idea that made life more convenient long ago. In 3000 BCE when the wheel was invented, it was a new invention that came in handy in the means of transportation whereas it is just something we take for granted nowadays. By having a wheel, people could make carts and take transportation to a new level and also ride across adverse landscapes where walking would be hard. All the tools and types of technology that humans have developed have all been built around the main idea of convenience. Not only is convenience the main concept that all technology is built around, but is also what humans value greatly.

The definition of "tech" is as follows : A tool used in some way that does NOT have to be beneficial to humans. (A definition is what one says a definition is. For example, "blue" does not actually mean the color blue, it is just a clever tool humans use to convey the word blue. Thus, the definition of "blue" is blue because we say it is. Likewise, tech is a tool because that is the definition of it.(it.https://www.google.com... q=technology+definition&oq=technology+defini&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i57.6722j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=91&ie=UTF-8)

Everything therefore is technology
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eraser: tool for erasing
Pluto: tool for humans to know more about the universe and to enlighten our curiosity
universe: tool for humans to live in
eyes: tool for humans to see
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Chinara_O

Con

First of all, please do not use ABBREVIATION , it sounds very informal. In other words, please make it clear that which term the Tech you refer to stands for: technology or technic . Because the definition of them is rather different..
However, according to your statement, you have already made it ambiguous.
Let"s fist digest your basic logic:
First, you define Tech as a tool. Then, you further elaborate that the tools are something to make human lives more convenient. As a consequence, Tech is aiming to provide convenience for our lives. Therefore, you jumped to the conclusion that Everything is technology.
Now, it"s obvious to find several flaws of your argument. Fist and foremost, it"s very controversial for you to say that Tech can be defined as a tool. Well, if you have some basic knowledge of linguistics, you would know that it is the language symbols that is arbitrary. For example, if we called a chair a "combido" or a "gitwo", we could still convey the same meaning. But the word , especially a technical term, should have it"s definite meaning for the symbol used to represent itself rather than just being recognized as we use it . However, provided the link you posted includes the definition of Tech, we cannot find it anywhere that defines Technology as a tool.
First, from Wikipedia(where we know most of the knowledge has not be valid and thus reliable. http://en.wikipedia.org...) :
Technology is the collection of techniques, methods or processes used in the production of goods or services or in the accomplishment of objectives, such as scientific investigation. Technology can be the knowledge of techniques, processes, etc. or it can be embedded in machines, computers, devices and factories, which can be operated by individuals without detailed knowledge of the workings of such things.))
It defines Technology as the collection of techniques, methods or processes, or the knowledge of techniques, processes, which is not the equivalent of tool which can be seen as any physical item that can be used to achieve a goal, especially if the item is not consumed in the process. Even through the tool is not necessary tangible, but it serves as a bridge which is excluded from the process. However, we use technology itself in our daily life like electricity and the transportation means. So it"s not just a tool but a broader ideology.
Second, from http://dictionary.reference.com...,
We can see that it includes the branch of knowledge, a specific process or the sum of the ways, it is a object itself which can be consumed.

Now, even though we admit that Tech you refer to is a set of tools which provide convenience for human beings. But it doesn"t necessarily mean that it is embedded in everything. It"s true that the new technological advancement help accelerate the process of civilization, but the emotional attachment of technology in the modern society is not equal to the fact that we cannot live without them. We can still survive but cannot develop the intelligence and civilized process as human.

But the major flaw here is Technology cannot be compared to tool which is the item that can be traced back to the ancient times where our ancestors use whatever came in handy for their survival , it "s rather a term that has been developed as a result of the industry revolution and development of human intelligence in our modern society.
Debate Round No. 2
Ed_Chen

Pro

I apologize for the poor writing last round. I was in a rush to post the argument.
I will rephrase my arguments in this round.
Since this is a rather hard argument, not all sources may be accurate, for they can be proven wrong.
Thus, sources and links are of no use in this argument since the whole point of my arguments are to prove them wrong.

First and foremost, technology is the devices and things in the world that can be utilized. Some may believe that tech is a scientific device. For example, the wall is a piece of technology that blocks and protects but yet it is not science related. Thus, not all technology is scientific. Also a book is an article of technology generally used for reading, which counts as a device for reading. In other words, the book is a tool for reading, tool=device. Thus, all tech=>scientific device=>proved scientific wrong=>device =tech. Thus, technology is a device that is helpful to humans.

Next, now all is left is the simple act of trying everything out to see if it is a article of tech.
For example:
A book is an article of technology for reading.
A backpack is an article of technology for transporting things.
A sea is an article of technology used for leisure, travel by ships, and discovery of new things by humans.
Therefore, everything is Technology
Chinara_O

Con

Well, basically, You have still been stuck in the situation arguing that technology belongs to the category of tools or device. However, the statement is imperfect .
The explanation sounds rather far etched especially the illustrations you cited. You said that a wall, a book ,a backpack and a sea(of course you cannot use the indefinite article with this noun ) are all considered to be devices. So there is a reason to believe that every object on earth can be recognized as device.
Yes, A device is usually a constructed tool, but may refer more specifically to a range of category such as music,arts,science,engineering,ect. That is to say, a device shouldn't be counted as a new class that includes similar subjects which are more specific because device itself can be concrete enough as a concept.
Overrall , you have to consider the range that the concept refers to , the term technology covers a broader spectrum of subjects than device or tool. Or you can say device or tool belong to the technology itself ,but you cannot equate a wider term (technology) to a more specific subject(tool) . Therefore ,that argument that everything is in Tech is untenable from a logical standpoint in the first place.
Debate Round No. 3
Ed_Chen

Pro

Ed_Chen forfeited this round.
Chinara_O

Con

Well , It's clear that for whatever reason my opponent forfeited this round, the argument from his or her statement cannot be fairly justified. The fundamental reason for that is the lack of understanding of the topic itself . And there is no point in arguing something that is ambiguous without a clear definition.
My opponent should have already known the comparison he or she made was quite inappropriate and therefore its following arguments have just deviated from the topic and cannot be cited as supporting points.
My conclusion here is not everything is included in technology as technology is just a broad term in describing some advanced methods or models we have developed in the modern society.We have been using or even being immersed into the technology in so many aspects of our lives A292;but it doesn't necessarily mean everything on different scale or level can be classified under the category of technology. There are lots of stuff which we have witnessed, discovered more complex than just a technical term , let alone those which are even beyong our comprehension .
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Ed_Chen 2 years ago
Ed_Chen
I am sorry for the forfeit. It is not because I give up my point, but because I did not have enough time to post my arguement
Posted by Chinara_O 2 years ago
Chinara_O
OK, It's your turn to post an argument.
Posted by Ed_Chen 2 years ago
Ed_Chen
Yes, but that depends on your definition of "tech"
Posted by Chinara_O 2 years ago
Chinara_O
well, but do you know that technically ,the opposite side of you argument is not "Everything is not Tech",but rather "not Everything is (or is included in) technology", that is the basic logic!
Posted by Ed_Chen 2 years ago
Ed_Chen
I was meaning to debate about anything that falls under the category of technology and let my opponent choose what to debate on. I see how my wording could have been quite misleading. Anyways, I still oppose your opinion in saying "Everything is not Tech" for I believe everything is , so therefore this debate can still continue. Thank you for this interesting philosophical debate topic.
Posted by Chinara_O 2 years ago
Chinara_O
welcome, but your argument isn't quite clear.You meant everything that stands for literally anything or something specific?
Posted by Ed_Chen 2 years ago
Ed_Chen
Thanks for accepting
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