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Apartheid was an English (Anglo-Saxon) invention, not a Dutch one

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Started: 11/27/2013 Category: Society
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Adam2

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In this debate I will argue that the English, with the help of Queen Victoria, invented Apartheid, not the Dutch (specifically the Boers).
The Boers were targets of the same racism the English inflicted on blacks.
MSC

Con

If it was the creation of the English then why was the the National Party (NP), the party which formalised apartheid, a Boer party. A party consisting of mostly Dutch origin members.
Yes, the English also had a type of unformalised type of segregation, but it is the Boer whom formalised it and created this racist system. If the English were the creators of this system, they would have applied it to the rest of their vast empire, but this was not applied anywhere else within the British Empire.
Debate Round No. 1
Adam2

Pro

"Yes, the English also had a type of unformalised type of segregation, but it is the Boer whom formalised it and created this racist system. If the English were the creators of this system, they would have applied it to the rest of their vast empire, but this was not applied anywhere else within the British Empire."
You're forgetting that unlike India, and other parts of Africa, the English wanted settlements in South Africa. South Africa was originally founded by the Dutch for this reason, but wasn't ceased with violent force by the Dutch like it would be by the English (Boer War). India, and other parts of Africa, were colonized by the English specifically for empire reasons, imperialism. South Africa not so much.

Let's start with Queen Victoria. An overview: her ancestry is of a country with a violent history of imperialism and KKK-like society: Prussia. The Prussian empire (an empire similar to that of Victorian England and Denmark) was a brutal empire that brutally pillaged every country they came in contact with without mercy, such as France and Poland. She also could've had Danish ancestry. Her family is said to be very racist.

Now, for the Boer War
"It was two renowned Englishmen, Cecil Rhodes and Winston Churchill, who at crucial moments planted the seeds that were to ripen into policies which deprived black people of democratic rights in South Africa. A third, Jan Smuts - an Afrikaner by birth who became a committed supporter of the British Empire - was also an architect of laws which were later to become the framework of apartheid. Like Churchill, Smuts has a statue in Parliament Square, but in South Africa both will go down as men who destroyed rather than built democracy in the country.

Let's take Rhodes first, the Bishop's Stortford boy who wanted to build an African empire from Cairo to the Cape, who invented Rhodesia and left us with the De Beers diamond monopoly and 160 Rhodes scholarships at Oxford. A millionaire from diamonds and gold before the age of 30, Rhodes became Prime Minister of the Cape in 1890. For more than 40 years the Cape had had a non-racial franchise which allowed anyone, irrespective of race, with property worth pounds 25 or wages of pounds 50 a year to vote for representatives in an Assembly which made laws for the colony.

Rhodes believed that the world should be ruled by the Anglo Saxon and Teutonic races: one of his dreams was to force the United States of America back into the British Empire. Although Africans represented a minority of voters and did not vote as a block, Rhodes passed two laws simultaneously which caused large numbers of them to be struck off the electoral role. One, the Glen Grey Act, limited the amount of land Africans could hold; the other tripled the property qualification for the vote. Many Africans now had insufficient property to qualify and would find it almost impossible to get back on the list because of the legal limit on the amount of land they could hold." (http://www.independent.co.uk...)
Basically the Anglo-Saxons, much like Danes did in Iceland, pretty much formed the core of what would be Apartheid. And, again in 1948, South Africa was not Dutch, but English. Hell, even the word "Apartheid," once again, sounds more Anglo-Saxon than Dutch.

Plus it was the Dutch, along with the Spanish, French, Germans and Italians, who had sanctions against the Apartheid government, not the English, and definitely not the Danes either. The Danes, only hypocritically, joined the sanctions against South Africa, after they became an independent (Dutch) country, which shows how racist they were to them.
MSC

Con

MSC forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
Adam2

Pro

As I have said, Apartheid was an indeed an English invention. It was the same country that gave birth to Jim Crow. A good chunk of the violence and lynchings and murders that occured during Apartheid came in its first 13 years, when it was still under English rule. Not coincidentally, the drive to freedom for black people started with the establishment of the ethnically Dutch South Africa in 1961. So there you have it.
MSC

Con

MSC forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Adam2 3 years ago
Adam2
The Anglo-Saxons still made Apartheid
Posted by Input 3 years ago
Input
Awh Con - Apartheid is a Dutch-French word!
http://dictionary.reference.com...
http://www.thefreedictionary.com...
Origin:
1945"50; < Afrikaans & [Afrikaans : Dutch apart, separate (from French " part, apart; see apart) + Dutch -heid, -hood.]
Simple dictionary checking would have won you this. Oh well.
And if you can interview or find out from an actual S Afrikaaner, THEIR meaning of Apartheid was Separate but Equal yet the Western Media warped it's meaning. Anyway your debate is over.
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