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RoBiSTeHLoL
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Are Koreans really racist to Blacks?

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Started: 3/13/2008 Category: Society
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Nootral4life

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It's not to say that I actually want to label the whole of Korea as being racist, and it's not that I wish to support this but I have come to the conclusion that Koreans in general, are indeed racist towards Black people. To be honest, I'm Black myself, and I have nothing against the Korean people. The thing is, I'm very fond of the Korean culture, but I have seen in the media, that some Koreans show a very ugly side to them. For instance, The ‘Bubble Sisters' are a very controversial bunch. They use ‘blackface' in order to get their fans to cheer them on. When I first saw them, I was horrified, shocked, and deeply hurt. Another thing is, Leslie Benfield(a black woman who speaks fluent Korean). She's a black American who lives in Korea, and was insulted on a show called ‘Beauties Chatterbox', (a show that gives an insight on life as a foreigner living in Korea), by having a music producer rapping and dancing around the platform with a wig, designed like an Afro, and acting like a 'thug'. I'm not saying that all Koreans are the same, but there is definitely a problem with the way how black people are portrayed in Korea. Ignorant, poorly educated, violent, and quick to steal, are the common stereotypes the Korean media has placed on blacks. I mean, I can't even walk into a Korean grocery store without the look and expression of bitter distrust upon the owners. Seeing this makes me feel that Blacks are the most hated race in the universe.
RoBiSTeHLoL

Con

Race doesn't even exist.

"Race is a social construct that refers to the concept of dividing people into groups into categories based on physical characteristics. The most common of these is skin color. Skin color is determined by the amount of melanin in your body. The melanin determines the pigment of your skin, which is affected by location and environment. Generally, those in a tropical environment have a greater amount of melanin in their body. The melanin is what protects you from UV rays.

If anything, since racism is the idea of one "race's" superiority over another, the darker your skin, the more superior, since you can better resist UV radiation thus preventing sun burns and skin cancer.

Racial formation is the process by which social, economic, and political forces determine the content and importance of racial categories. This process of racial formation creates a racial identity -- an identity constructed from preexisting conceptual elements such as stereotypes, apperance, or other preconceived notions.

DO NOT CONFUSE RACE WITH ETHNICITY OR CULTURE.

Ethnicity is a group of people who identify with each other based on a common heritage; culture is a learned behavior, created through socialization and is dependent on all kinds of social elements.

What does it mean to have white pride? Does it mean you're proud of being born with less melanin in your body? Does it mean you're proud of everything whites have done? Where is the line between white and tan?

In the early 1900's, the Irish and Jews were considered a different race, and were discriminated against greatly. They were called "off-white" or "not-quite white." They were faced with as much descrimination and prejudice as blacks in that time period. The Jews and Irish, and many other European immigrants were victims of racialization, where a previously unclassified group is given an ethnoracial assignment. Ethnoracial assignment refers to the way in which dominant culture and popular understandings construct different categories of social beings. You take an ethnic group, such as Jews, call them a different race (off-white), form prejudice, then claim "white power."

Uh-huh.

So, what about those black people you bite your tongue about to resist saying the N-word? "Stereotypes have some truth. They don't apply to all black people, but they generally do."

No. I'd love to see how many people classified as black act like gangstas compared to the Jamaicans, and (just to start), people from

* Algeria
* Angola
* Benin
* Botswana
* Burkina Faso
* Burundi
* Cameroon
* Cape Verde
* Central African Rep
* Chad
* Congo
* Dem. Rep. Congo (Zaire)
* Djibouti
* Egypt
* Equatorial Guinea
* Eritrea
* Ethiopia
* Gabon
* Gambia
* Ghana
* Guinea Bissau
* Guinea
* Ivory Coast
* Kenya
* Lesotho
* Liberia
* Libya
* Madagascar
* Malawi
* Mali
* Mauritania
* Mauritius
* Morocco
* Mozambique
* Namibia
* Niger
* Nigeria
* Reunion
* Rwanda
* S�o Tom� and Principe
* Senegal
* Seychelles
* Sierra Leone
* Somalia
* South Africa
* Sudan
* Swaziland
* Tanzania
* Togo
* Tunisia
* Uganda
* Zambia
* Zanzibar
* Zimbabwe

What you're trying, ignorantly, to express is your disdain for what's called a social race. Social race refers to the fact that people use culturally and socially constructed labels to identify groups thought to be races.

Have pride in your culture. Have pride in your heritage. Have pride in who you are as an individual. But to have pride in the color of your skin? That's as absurd as having pride in the color of your hair, the shape of your skull, your teeth, or the number of freckles you have.

There is only one kind of race when talking about people."

That said, Koreans can't be racist towards blacks.
Debate Round No. 1
Nootral4life

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RoBiSTeHLoL

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Debate Round No. 2
Nootral4life

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RoBiSTeHLoL

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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by HCPwns95 9 years ago
HCPwns95
In my own words, not speaking pro.:

I'm an asian, and I dislike most (Not all, but the ones I met) african-americans.

MOST asians are racist (Like me lol and sry). Some are not.
Posted by zakkuchan 9 years ago
zakkuchan
Plus, your conclusion is invalid, even if you agree with all the justification. Race doesn't exist, therefore racism doesn't exist? I think not, especially considering you talked a lot about people being racist. I can consider green skin color to be inferior to mine, regardless of if it exists.
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 9 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
Correction, con addressed it, but with an utter ignoratio elenchi (the truth value of his substance does not affect the truth value of his position even if he thinks it does.
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Posted by zakkuchan 9 years ago
zakkuchan
This makes no sense, RoBiSTeHLoL

"Race doesn't even exist. Race is a social construct..."

Here, you assume social constructs don't exist. You made a syllogism without realizing that the middle statement is bogus.

"that refers to the concept of dividing people into groups into categories based on physical characteristics. The most common of these is skin color. Skin color is determined by the amount of melanin in your body. The melanin determines the pigment of your skin, which is affected by location and environment. Generally, those in a tropical environment have a greater amount of melanin in their body. The melanin is what protects you from UV rays."

Here, you agree that different skin colors exist, and thus that race exists.

"If anything, since racism is the idea of one "race's" superiority over another, the darker your skin, the more superior, since you can better resist UV radiation thus preventing sun burns and skin cancer."

This has nothing to do with your argument; you're talking about race not existing, and suddenly jump over to talking about racISM.

"Racial formation is the process by which social, economic, and political forces determine the content and importance of racial categories. This process of racial formation creates a racial identity -- an identity constructed from preexisting conceptual elements such as stereotypes, apperance, or other preconceived notions."

So racial identity exists? How is that different from race existing?

"DO NOT CONFUSE RACE WITH ETHNICITY OR CULTURE."

Straw man.
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 9 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
Con didn't even address the resolution, and there was no debate.

I vote that this be stricken from the record.
Posted by Korezaan 9 years ago
Korezaan
"Seeing this makes me feel that Blacks are the most hated race in the universe."

Assuming race exists, then it's not the blacks, but the Jews.
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