The Instigator
Flower9999
Pro (for)
Tied
10 Points
The Contender
Lee001
Con (against)
Tied
10 Points

Are Men more descriminated against than Women?

Do you like this debate?NoYes+2
Add this debate to Google Add this debate to Delicious Add this debate to FaceBook Add this debate to Digg  
Post Voting Period
The voting period for this debate has ended.
after 5 votes the winner is...
It's a Tie!
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 3/9/2015 Category: Society
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 1,101 times Debate No: 71382
Debate Rounds (3)
Comments (16)
Votes (5)

 

Flower9999

Pro

Yes, they are. It is a common myth that women have it worse off than men in the world. You expect us to protect you, provide financial support, and pay the bills at the end of the day? If you really wanted equality, you could work hard to achieve it yourself. At my work recently, I have noticed some of my female co-workers getting promoted quite a bit due to them blurting with my boss. This infuriates me, because there is nothing I can do about it, and it is cheating to move up in society that way. As men, we constantly get bombarded for domestic abuse, even if it is to protect ourselves from the woman, we are often convicted anyways, due to a sympathetic jury. We get trashed around because we are accused of ruining marriages by not being around and focussing to much on work, while you are home all day basking in the love of our children. I'm sorry, someone has to pay the bills to keep us with a roof over our heads. And then, when a divorce happens, the mother most of the time gets to keep the child just because she's the mom, making us send financial support checks even after we split up, to someone we can never see again, and our poor kids that don't deserve it.
Lee001

Con

Thank you for starting this debate. I completely disagree with you, so this will be fun :)
Good luck!

Definitions: Discrimination : an act or instance of discriminating, or of making a distinction.

Pro states: "You expect us to protect you, provide financial support, and pay the bills at the end of the day? If you really wanted equality, you could work hard to achieve it yourself."
1st off: Women dont expect you to do any of theese things unless they tell you that theese want theese things. Your making this statement seeminly seem tha ALL women are like this, in that casre no they arent al the same. If ANYTHING it's the man who wants his women to stay home clean, cook and take care of the children while the husband is off to work.
Point #2 Pro then goes on to state that
"As men, we constantly get bombarded for domestic abuse, even if it is to protect ourselves from the woman, we are often convicted anyways, due to a sympathetic jury" I highly doubt any women goes out of her way to hurt a man or abuse him. Men are much stronger then women. Many men use women to get their way in the work place.If its affecting ot bothering you, then do something about it, done just whine about it.
Point #3 Pro then states that "We get trashed around because we are accused of ruining marriages by not being around and focussing to much on work, while you are home all day basking in the love of our children. I'm sorry, someone has to pay the bills to keep us with a roof over our heads"
I dont understand why you write this, 1st your saying that we expect you to do all this stuff and its sexist and such but then you prove my point with this statement claiming that you do theese thing anyways to keep a roof over your head. So I thank you for making that clear.
My Argument: You want to complain that women are more discriminated then women are?
No, even though women go to college and get a great education they STILL are earning less money then men are in the work place.

"Women are almost half of the workforce. They are the equal, if not main, breadwinner in four out of ten families. They receive more college and graduate degrees than men. Yet, on average, women continue to earn considerably less than men. In 2013, female full-time workers made only 78 cents for every dollar earned by men, a gender wage gap of 22 percent. Women, on average, earn less than men in virtually every single occupation for which there is sufficient earnings data for both men and women to calculate an earnings ratio"
As you can see, men defineatly get paid more than women do and get more privligaes then women. So I dont understand what all the fuss is about. I'll stop here for I have many more arguments in the next round.


Sources: http://dictionary.reference.com...
Debate Round No. 1
Flower9999

Pro

Thank you for your response.

Response 1: I never said that ALL women were like that, as I was more referring to the experience that I had. However, you are generalising, when you say that the it is the husband who wants his wife to stay home and clean, cook, and take care or the children. Part of the problem with this issue is that the women can more easily take the children over the man in a divorce, as 82.2 percent of women get the child in the divorce. Grammatical mistakes: don't*, they* instead of theese, seemingly*, you say seemingly seem, that*, case*, aren't*, and last but not least, all*.

Response 2: As for your agument that no woman would go out of the way to hurt a man, the statistic say different. With a number of 48.8% of men in their lifetime having been abused by a spouse, which is more than the reported abuse by a woman. And do not say that I am whining please, as this is a debate, where you are supposed to voice your opinion. Gramatical mistakes: Space inbetween the period after place and If. And I am doing something about it, as I activly oppose extremeist feminist organisations on the web daily.

Response 3: Four out of ten families does not make them the breadwinner. And I am clearly stating that we have to do these things to pay the bills and whatnot, do not act as if I meant we get some sick plesure from slaving at work all day, unitensionaly isolating our children and family. To many gramatical errors to list. Sorry, but it's true. Not eactly sure what you mean by 'What is all the fuss about', as you could say the same thing about the Nazi Party and the War of Terror. I hope you don't mean that sexism isn't an issue to be taken lightly.

Good Luck, as I also have many more statistics and arguments.

Citations:

Web. 9 Mar. 2015. <http://www.census.gov...;.

"Statistics."
The National Domestic Violence Hotline RSS2. Web. 9 Mar. 2015. <http://www.thehotline.org...;.
Lee001

Con

Oh gee, I'm sorry I didn't know you were the grammar police. It seems as if pro is more worried about my grammar skills then he is about the actual debate. Since you rebutted all my points with really almost no facts, I will move on to women abuse. Pro States: "As for your augment that no woman would go out of the way to hurt a man, the statistic say different. With a number of 48.8% of men in their lifetime having been abused by a spouse, which is more than the reported abuse by a woman." He is wrong, and I actually used a reliable source to support my claim.
Domestic Violence Statisticsa26;Every 9 seconds in the US a woman is assaulted or beaten.a26;Around the world, at least one in every three women has been beaten, coerced into sex or otherwise abused during her lifetime. Most often, the abuser is a member of her own family.a26;Domestic violence is the leading cause of injury to women—more than car accidents, muggings, and rapes combined.a26;Studies suggest that up to 10 million children witness some form of domestic violence annually.a26;Nearly 1 in 5 teenage girls who have been in a relationship said a boyfriend threatened violence or self-harm if presented with a breakup.a26;Everyday in the US, more than three women are murdered by their husbands or boyfriends.a26;Ninety-two percent of women surveyed listed reducing domestic violence and sexual assault as their top concern.a26;Domestic violence victims lose nearly 8 million days of paid work per year in the US alone—the equivalent of 32,000 full-time jobs.a26;Based on reports from 10 countries, between 55 percent and 95 percent of women who had been physically abused by their partners had never contacted non-governmental organizations, shelters, or the police for help.a26;The costs of intimate partner violence in the US alone exceed $5.8 billion per year: $4.1 billion are for direct medical and health care services, while productivity losses account for nearly $1.8 billion.a26;Men who as children witnessed their parents’ domestic violence were twice as likely to abuse their own wives than sons of nonviolent parents.
So how do women have it easier then men? Women are always being discriminated against for being a women. Also as you can notice, most of abuser's are MEN. Yet theese women are forced to not say anyhting in fear of being abused much more by the man.
It's been proven that women have been much more abused then men have.
click="document.location='/Lee001/photos/album/4865/32318/'" src="../../../photos/albums/1/5/4865/208145-4865-6vqf7-a.jpg" alt="" />
click="document.location='/Lee001/photos/album/4865/32317/'" src="../../../photos/albums/1/5/4865/208145-4865-arvyu-a.jpg" alt="" />
click="document.location='/Lee001/photos/album/4865/32319/'" src="../../../photos/albums/1/5/4865/208145-4865-mggc3-a.jpg" alt="" />



As for Pro's 3rd point, I really dont understnad what he is trying to acheive with his argument, trying to insult me I guess? Well sorry, It didnt work.
Back to Pro!
Debate Round No. 2
Flower9999

Pro

Thank you for your response.

I am going to dedicate my rebuttal to everything wrong with yours;

1. You plagerized your information.
2. Over 30 grammatical errors.
3. Listing a Yahoo Search as a source... what the heck?
4. Your plagiarized source left no sources, so it is not a reliable source.
5. Every single sentance that I said was based on fact.
6. I was not trying to insult you, if I did, I am sorry.
7. Your only facts are those from one source, that isn't even reliable.
Ok, I think I'm done arguing, as you have been very immature and proffesional in your arguments, and you constantly assume, and make errors. Good day.
Lee001

Con

How am I being unprofessional?
I used reliable sources, you just didn't approve of them, so sorry that you disapproved.
Thanks anyways :)
Debate Round No. 3
16 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 10 records.
Posted by really12 2 years ago
really12
I believe there is a mutual discriminatory correlation between the two genders.
Posted by Lee001 2 years ago
Lee001
Why dose everyone insinuate I'm a "him"???
Doesn't my picture say otherwise?
Posted by vampiress 2 years ago
vampiress
@Times Uhm, I didn't tell you my stance on the issue. Note, "don't concede or disagree.' I'm merely asking you for the source that validates the pay gap myth.
Posted by TheChristian 2 years ago
TheChristian
Pro has a point. Too bad I cant vote due to a glitch, and my code was never sent.
Posted by footballchris561 2 years ago
footballchris561
Interesting debate and I will try to explain my vote as best as I can.

Conduct: Not a very good job on both sides as the arguments seemed to get subjective at certain points.

Spelling and grammar: This is pretty easy going to pro. Con did not separate paragraphs at all and made a lot of grammatical mistakes.

Argument: The most important vote goes to pro. While arguments on both sides were poor and often off topic Pro wins this with one simple argument. The fact that most of the time the children goes to the mother is discrimination. The only way this can be rebutted by con would be to show that there is larger amount of unfit fathers than mothers. This would mean that it is simply an objective decision and not discrimination. It would be difficult but it might be possible. The argument was not rebutted and therefore con loses argument. Cons arguments did not coincide with her definition of discrimination. At the risk of being crude... Rape is not discrimination, murder is not discrimination, abuse is not discrimination. If cons argument was that men are more violent then women she might have won. You cant you base your arguments on "doubt".

Sources: Con loses sources as they are not reliable. No answer is better than the wrong answer. While cons source on the pay gap between genders is not necessarily wrong it is discriminatory in itself as it only looks at the facts that favor the feminist argument.
- http://www.payscale.com...
The other source that describes the facts of domestic abuse against females is also a discriminating source. It looks only at what happens to women and not men. abuse is not discrimination. If women did contact authorities, which the source states the usually don't, and they were treated worse then a man, that would be discrimination.
Posted by Lee001 2 years ago
Lee001
Could you not? lol :p
Posted by Mister_Man 2 years ago
Mister_Man
well that went to sh*t quickly... lol
Posted by Lee001 2 years ago
Lee001
Wow....
Posted by bluesteel 2 years ago
bluesteel
=====================================================================
>Reported vote: Hanspete // Moderator action taken: removed<

4 points to Con (conduct, arguments). RFD = "Reasons for voting decision: Sooooooo, Conduct to Con, because Pro was being a Grammar Nazi, not really the real reason, actually Pro was rude to Con on several occasions, accused Con of plagiarism, promoted a blatant lie about Con's sources, among things. Arguments to Con as well, because she stuck to the debate more than Pro did and unlike Pro, she just made arguments that were relevant, not irrelevant."

*Reason for removal.* Failure to adequately explain argument point vote. This RFD fails to sufficiently explain *why* Pro failed to stick to the debate or *why* Pro's arguments were irrelevant. The RFD's reasoning for its argument point vote is so generic that it could be copy-pasted into any debate as the RFD and it would still make sense. It needed to be more specific.
=====================================================================
Posted by Times 2 years ago
Times
@vampiress
Are you saying that money is not spent by Men for Women? I gave you one very real and irrefutable example of child support. Men pay child support to Women, women get to keep the homes and the best car after divorce, alimony, re-education to return to the work force only paid by men to Women, the list goes on and on but the reality is, Men may earn more money, but Women spend it.
5 votes have been placed for this debate. Showing 1 through 5 records.
Vote Placed by beachgirl67 2 years ago
beachgirl67
Flower9999Lee001Tied
Agreed with before the debate:-Vote Checkmark-0 points
Agreed with after the debate:-Vote Checkmark-0 points
Who had better conduct:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:-Vote Checkmark-3 points
Used the most reliable sources:Vote Checkmark--2 points
Total points awarded:23 
Reasons for voting decision: I thought Con had a more convincing argument, as well as successfully rebuttling Pro
Vote Placed by Daktoria 2 years ago
Daktoria
Flower9999Lee001Tied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:Vote Checkmark--1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:--Vote Checkmark3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:10 
Reasons for voting decision: Con's a wise guy troll. He accuses pro of being grammar police when details matter in debate, doesn't understand what sexism is, and treats people like statistics. His argument about discrimination is entirely backwards as well since Pro argues that women get the easy part of maintaining a household in contrast to the hard part of providing for it. Con confuses vertical with horizontal differences, trying to deconstruct Pro. His argument is basically, "Women have it easier than men, so gender roles are different, and because difference can imply that women have it harder than men, we must consider it that way." Ultimately, he doesn't even address Pro's ontological arguments at all, and just carries on one tangent after the next. I'm not saying Pro's arguments are good, but Con has a lot of conduct issues that need to seriously be addressed and considered.
Vote Placed by footballchris561 2 years ago
footballchris561
Flower9999Lee001Tied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:Vote Checkmark--1 point
Made more convincing arguments:Vote Checkmark--3 points
Used the most reliable sources:Vote Checkmark--2 points
Total points awarded:60 
Reasons for voting decision: Explanation is in the comments.
Vote Placed by cybertron1998 2 years ago
cybertron1998
Flower9999Lee001Tied
Agreed with before the debate:-Vote Checkmark-0 points
Agreed with after the debate:-Vote Checkmark-0 points
Who had better conduct:-Vote Checkmark-1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:-Vote Checkmark-3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:04 
Reasons for voting decision: Honestly I would've graded pro better. But He threw it away in his rebuttals. He turned it from a professional debate to a personal argument. In fact I believe he shouldn't have said anything about his personal experiences because that set he ball rolling of how he was going to act in the rest of his debate.
Vote Placed by Mister_Man 2 years ago
Mister_Man
Flower9999Lee001Tied
Agreed with before the debate:Vote Checkmark--0 points
Agreed with after the debate:Vote Checkmark--0 points
Who had better conduct:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:Vote Checkmark--1 point
Made more convincing arguments:-Vote Checkmark-3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:13 
Reasons for voting decision: The ONLY reason I'm giving this point to Con is because Pro completely dropped every single argument in the last round and just pointed out grammatical errors and other nonsense. Pro's sources seemed to be much better however when clicked... it directs us to a 404'd page. So sources to nobody because neither party produced decent sources. Unfortunately for Con, for obvious reasons, the spelling and grammar goes to Flower. I don't usually vote for this, but Con's spelling was pretty bad and it actually took me a couple seconds to figure out what she was trying to say on more than one occasion. In the end, Pro decided to drop ALL arguments, awarding Con the 3 points.