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Are Plato's Philosopher kings ruling/leading us?

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Started: 9/13/2013 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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oldman1990

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Are the Philosopher Kings ruling our society? In Plato's perfect city state that's how it would have been. Philosopher kings, Protectors then all the Tradesmen /woman, that would have been the order of society.
Philosopher Kings would have been the wisest people for the job, set aside to the position from the time they were born. Though this doesn't happen for our leaders now days, as Plato's ideas were never adopted. Are the most able, wise, smart and reasonable people ruling our country? I am willing to say we have some well educated people in some positions, but though I liked some of our presidents I would not put many in the Philosophically inclined area. Nor would I say they ruled/lead as such a philosopher would.
If someone disagrees please put forth your argument(s)
Please no one argue, "Well Obama is a smart man and he makes awesome choices." or, "Bush Graduated from school so he's smart man." or something to the affect of shallow arguments like that.
jpisar

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World history has shown more often than not that people on power positions, reflect what the individuals are like. That is the case with Russia both before during and after communism, where despotism was and is still the norm. Before Lenin, the monarchs had absolute power, then the communist party took power with the false promise of equality for everybody, but what actually happen was that few party people got absolute power over the whole population. These guys were the owners of Russia. Then came democracy, but Russia is still far away from a power sharing society. All these rulers are very different from Plato ideals and rather reflect the choices and culture of the Russian people.

The US case is not so extreme, but still many people are pretty ignorant and make poor choices. One clear example was reelecting Bush a second term. He has been one of the worst presidents in the history of the United States. First off all he attacked a country on a fallacy, then this country developed into gang violence and now after 10 years more than 1 million people have been killed in a un going civil war. Indeed it was a extremely stupid idea to invade Iraq. For sure a president that is indirectly responsible for the deaths of 1 million people and deceived his own people to pursue a economic interest of a selected few is far away from Plato ideals and closer to criminal charges.

In my country Colombia, South America, for example people continuously make bad choices and elect people that in the long run are not beneficial for the country, because people are not well educated. In contrast developed nations like Sweden or Finland, have very low corruption rates and people are particularly well educated, this might not be a coincidence.

In conclusion humanity has a long way to go before we can truly reach Plato's ideals. Although all this presidents have fancy university diplomas, but that doesn't mean that they are ethically prepared to run a country. Just remember that diplomas are a way for society of approving someone for a job, and as society is not perfect those diplomas maybe misleading.
Debate Round No. 1
oldman1990

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I believe that we are arguing for the same side, my position was that we do not have the Philosopher Kings in the leading/ruling position of this country.
You have supported that with your argument as well as point out the rest of the world is behind too.
So I'm not sure if my position wasn't stated clearly.
jpisar

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Debate Round No. 3
oldman1990

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So...........
jpisar

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Posted by oldman1990 4 years ago
oldman1990
If you read into the second part of Plato's The Republic, you can get a better idea.
Basically in Plato's perfect society, Philosophers should be the ones running society.
Posted by savvga13 4 years ago
savvga13
What are philosopher kings?
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