Are Squirrels Useful to the Ecosystem?
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They eat innocent nuts, many seed-eating birds are in vicious competition with them for this. On top of that the trees themselves end up dominated by squirrels.; it's easier as they have live offspring and can just topple nests as they please.
Filthy squirrels just leeches!
As for the bird of prey argument, they rarely go for squirrels, squirrels are much too fast and agile on treets, catching a land based rodent like a mouse is far more alluring.
Even so, all squirrels do to the ecosystem is complicate it by adding several heirarchical stages to it involving them and complicating things is not being useful to them.
Perhaps they are useful to other animals within the ecosystem but they are certainly not useful to the ecosystem itself, it could function just fine and in fact more efficiently without the additional steps they are creating by existing within it.
It may be useful to entities within the ecosystem but it is not useful to the ecosystem itself as it actually works more efficiently with less species as it's simpler.
False, if there is only one species at each level if the ecosystem this is ideal because there wouldn't be unnecessary energy wasted on animals at equal stages fighting one another for territorial rights (energy from the nutrition passing up the foodchain).
Additionally, since the ecosystem is not a real thing and is a human concept, simpler concepts are the fastest to understand.
Not sure how you're judging it. Squirrels are not useful to the ecosystem they just don't destroy it.
They have no niche, other animals eat nuts and do any and all things they do for the ecosystem.
Birds of prey have a lot of other prey that are far more frequently eaten.
Your fundamental argument is that since squirrels have participated in several foodwebs that they ARE USEFUL TO the ecosystem.
If we took them out we'd miss out on next to nothing ecologically. They HAVE PARTICIPATED IN aspects of the ecosystem but are not themselves useful to it in any way. They are a 'filler' animal, an unecessary species.
Thank you everyone, especially my opponent in this debate for giving me a great experience, and please vote PRO.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that I think all species are not useful to the ecosystem. Rats, for instance have essentially unique roles in India and many undeveloped yet urban environments. they are prey for many and yet survive despite it.
There are certain rodents, like the gerbil and rat s I just stated, who play very unique roles in their environments. They are definitely useful to the ecosystem and it would indeed suffer without them.
Pandas and tortoises are become near-extinct and do you know why barely anyone cares? Their role to the ecosystem has become redundant. I conceded to my opponent that at times in the past it is true that squirrels have played their role and enabled other species to fee don them or prevented too many of a species of tree that reproduces via nuts to prosper so easily. Nonetheless, they are now so redundant and replaceable that they only complicate ecosystems and if they went extinct, energy exchange in the hierarchy of the food webs involving them would run more efficiently as there would be less steps to achieve the same goal.
Pro keeps stating that playing a role is how we define usefulness but to deny that there is such a thing as too many roles is fallacious. Some stories could have run just as well if not better if certain filler characters had not been added to them but fiction is subjective whereas an ecosystem is objectively verifiable and there is absolutely no sign of a significant use for squirrels in them.
It was a good fight but as always I think I have won and concede nothing to your honorable self. Good first blood too, you may well become a proficient philosophy debater but I think you should stay away form the science debates. You reason well on a subjective level.
Thanks for this debate.
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