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Are UFO's Real?

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Started: 4/18/2013 Category: Science
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Kurta234

Con

So this is a debate on the whether UFO's are real. I believe they are fake and have irrefutable information to say so!
gavinkeene

Pro

In light of several historic events and the accepted prevalence of probable statistics in the debate of their existence, UFO's are indeed real.
Debate Round No. 1
Kurta234

Con

Alright so lets get some ground rules to start.
In order for me to win I must prove that evidence that aliens exist is not conclusive and are a product of just coincidences/wrongful citing.
For you to win you must prove that aliens without a doubt do exists through your argument.
Good luck and good debating.

I must first start with the stark fact that aliens have never been seen in public by people. "Spottings" occur in very remote part of the united states and most are recorded with poor quality that leaves the legitimacy of the video to question.

We have been scanning for aliens for 2 generations and have never had a public encounter. It seems that all we can ever see is their ships as they are just leaving. A little suspicious to say the least.

"Aliens" only began being spotted around the end of WW2. This is due in part to the large increase of experimental aircraft that was produced with the split of the German Scientists and the space race. Many experimental airplanes and rockets were developed. An example of this is the SR-71 which was in development and tested around Area 51. A specific "Alien" Spotting was later confirmed as an experimental SR-71 crash.

Simply Aliens do not exist because there is not enough information to support them. We have only caught a glimpse of these "UFO's". Even then the government has always come up with an explanation and through flight records has always checked out in the end!
gavinkeene

Pro

The definition of a UFO by the modern American military designates any Unidentified Flying Object (hence the abbreviation) as a flying craft which is not already known to the observer at the time period when its existence is noted.

There have been several historic encounters with aircraft being dubbed "UFO"s by the militaries that pursued them, including the Roswell incident in the United States, the Belgian UFO Wave lasting 6 months from 1989 to 1990, and the Battle of Los Angeles in California in 1942.

The Roswell incident sparked a controversy when an unidentified object fell from the sky outside of Roswell, New Mexico. It was almost immediately secured by the U.S. military, which declared the fallen object to be unknown to the forces that recovered it. One day later, the federal government dismissed further press speculation and declared the object to have been recognized as a distressed observation balloon all along. Civilians who had witnessed the recovery of the object continued to doubt the sincerity of the government after that point, when it released reports that contradicted its first official claims, that, indeed, an unidentified flying object (incapable of being a downed observation ballon) had landed in the United States.

The Belgian UFO wave between 1989 and 1990 generated several thousand documented sightings of UFOs by civilians and government officials alike. In the wake of so many unexplained sightings of aircraft that seemingly "hovered" at a time before such competence could be attained in Europe, (albeit hovercraft were being experimented with), UFOs captivated many in rapidly developed news reports which showcased their appearances over the skies of Belgium. The elusiveness of these "foo fighters", as they had been dubbed by Allied fliers since the first aerial encounters during World War II, have had far-reaching implications that have even prompted several world leaders to take note of them, including United States President John F. Kennedy, Former Soviet Union Premier Joseph Stalin, and United Kingdom Prime Minister Winston Churchill, among others. The Royal Belgian Air Force was not the only European organization to submit official reports detailing the seriousness of their encounters with UFOs. Two F-16 fighter jets were scrambled from a NATO base in Semmerzake, Belgium, to investigate a sighting on the night of March 30, 1990. The pilots noted being able to lock onto the still unidentified flying objects briefly, before the UFO instantly changed its behavior. It was stated: "The speed of the target changed [quickly] from 150 to 970 knots and from 9,000 to 5,000 feet [altitude], returning...to 11,000 feet [changing] again to close to ground level." The Colonel of the Gendarmarie (national police force) on the ground concluded that the "fantastic acceleration" would easily have exceeded a gravitational force of 40 Gs, which would negate any possibility of the craft containing a human pilot, considering the fact that humans could not even withstand 10 Gs, or one quarter of the force that the aircraft endured! Also consider the fact that modern drones used by the world militaries of today cannot commit to the types of changes that occurred in the encounter of March 30, 1990, which left two NATO F-16 fighter jets outmatched in an aerial dogfight in the Belgian atmosphere.

The Battle of Los Angeles was a very significant interaction between the United States military and extraterrestrials that were piloting an unidentified craft over California on February 25, 1942. Only three months after the infamous Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor that prompted the United States to enter into World War II, an unidentified flying object was seen on radar, approaching the air space over Los Angeles. The U.S. Army immediately portrayed the advance as a Japanese attack and committed to a high-alert combative status. The Army responded with an anti-air bombardment and that lasted on through the night. It was confirmed that only one aircraft had invaded the airspace that night, and despite the Army's best efforts to do so, the "enemy" craft had never been downed by the barrage. The craft was allowed to leave unscathed, and the United States military, to this day, has not been able to disclose any explanation of what unfriendly force invaded American air space in the Battle of Los Angeles. As ominous as it seems, the existence of UFOs is more than justified, as the world's most competent militaries have been dumbfounded by encounters with extraterrestrial forces much more capable than their own.
Debate Round No. 2
Kurta234

Con

I would like to start off by stating that my opponent is trying to use both sides of the card. As stated in the rules this argument is about Aliens. Not just any Unidentified Flying Object! So he must state evidence that Aliens are the pilots of these unidentified objects!

Now to refute his first claim about Roswell. Roswell wasn't a big deal in the country until around 31 years after the incident occurred. Until that point no one had questioned the people in roswell. When the people were finally questioned 3 decades later the peoples stories were completely different. Most people gave inaccurate dates of when it happened and almost every single person had a different view point on what they saw. Some saw a meteor like object, others saw a rotating disk, while others saw a weather balloon. The fact of the matter is that information about the incident was so old that many people made up lies to get their "15 minutes of fame". Even the date of the event was fudged by the authors (moving it back a day from july 7 to july 6) in order to make witness testimonies work. Even the top leading UFO groups like NICAP didn't include roswell into the list of major UFO events in 1966 because nobody thought anything extraterrestrial were present. It only became famous after misinformation was given through aged individuals seeking attention.

Now onto the Belgium UFO Wave. During the years mentioned the Belgium government was trying to get on the map. To do this they adopted an accepting conclusion about UFO's. One that many other governments didn't use. This was used in order to gain fame. Even the pilot of the so called event laughed about the incident stating that he didnt see anything and that the readings people are using are from the radar tower which was reporting unusual activity due to the atmospheric conditions of that day. The jets were dispatched in a "Just in case" Manner and neither pilot saw nothing. The rest of the reports came from an official book released by the government on UFO's. This book created mass hysteria and caused people to see things that weren't actually real in order to be included in the next addition. A series of unfortunate events caused this event.

This incident is very easy to explain. The Japanese inhabited many different islands off the west coast. The japanese at the time were also testing balloons for flight capabilities along with spying. About 6-7% of these balloons made it to the west coast. Of these balloons the ones that made it had to be flying around 30,000ft. The absolute maximum any flak gun could ever fire at the time would be around 1,000-2,000ft high. The reason they couldn't hit the balloon is because of the massive distance it was flying.

All Extraterrestial UFO sightings are mere speculation left up to the public. People want their 15 minutes of fame and try to do so by any means including jumping to the conclusion that UFO's are flying overhead!
gavinkeene

Pro

gavinkeene forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
Kurta234

Con

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gavinkeene

Pro

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Debate Round No. 4
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