Are Western Women More Privileged Than Men?
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My opponent claims she was joking and also justified because he claims she's punching up, which of course is fancy rationalization speak for simply claiming positional victimhood in order to continue to say or do something that would not only be wholly unacceptable were the genders swapped, but also met with vigorous protest and calls for dismissal - All of which the feminist female in question is completely immune to.
Could it be women are more privileged than men?
I believe it to be so obviously axiomatic, that we are here to prove our respective cases.
My requirements for this debate are that any claims must be accompanied by the highest form of proof. Anecdote, opinion pieces, and books by unqualified peoples are not admissible and are an instant forfeit. Noveau phrases and unqualified sociological terms will also be dismissed. Psychology journals and neuroscience are completely acceptable.
Here are the facts for men vs women in the west as they stand:
Average male life expectancy = 76
Average female life expectancy = 81
This shows women live longer than men. I would argue LIFE is the most precious commodity available to a human being, barring statistical (sociopaths) outliers. The most important thing to human beings is the lives of loved one. Nothing can be substituted or even comes close. Life is all we have and women categorically have more than men.
Privilege - Women
Murder Victims By Gender
Male = 77%
Female = 23%
According to a 10 yea study involving a massive 215,273 victims men were well and truly the majority of murder victims.
I argue that this is huge. Life is fundamentally important and the right to live is to most precious and agreed upon human right. Murder is the highest form of crime, ergo; there is no coming back from it, no therapy that can solve it's ill, and women are less likely to experience it.
Privilege - Women
It's an all too common tactic of deceit to look at men in America and commit the Apex Fallacy - This is where you assume the minuscule amount of men in government and corporate positions relative to your general man are in any way indicative of the average male worker.
The reality for males is they are more likely to work longer hours in more dangerous jobs, with more travel time and more unpaid overtime.
This results in men making up 20.75 times the amount of workplace deaths as women. This isn't a few percent this is 2000%.
Privilege - Women
3 out of 4 suicides are men
I don't think I need to say much more on this subject.
Privilege - Women
Only a brave person could dismiss the claim that women spend more money. A cursory look at a mall will tell you which gender the majority of shops are targeted towards, in fact this is consistent in the west.
Women account for 85% of all consumer purchases including everything from autos to health care:
91% of New Homes - 66% PCs 92% Vacations 65% New Cars
Companies predominantly market to women and this gives women enormous consumer power.
Women consume more luxury goods, take more vacations and spend more money on entertainment in every medium except sport
Women own the majority of personal wealth in America
Mindshare Market Study /Ogilvy & Mather
BMO Wealth Institute Report
Privilege - Women
Women's health gets more funding than men - Even though men die in all but a couple of ailments at higher rates.
In conclusion, women spend more and die less = Privilege
Women have babies so they need more health services that's not sexism
Women live in something called a rape cultural which you're contribution to is noted
1 in 2 women are raped, abused or assaulted , let that sink in for a minute. It's disgusting how this is allow d to happen in a partriarchy where men have all the power.
You really need to learn about feminism because frankly you look like someone who knows nothing about the subject and it's embarrassing. Think about this, do women want to enter those dangerous jobs because of sexism? That's the problem, you don't consi both sides of the story.
Women are afraid to enter these jobs because of a he risk of harassment and as I already pointed out... Rape culture
Your making assumptions that are not true, just because men die earlier that's not necessarily as big a deal as you make out
because everyone dies, but many wome die in childbirth
Women spend more becaus patriarchy pressures them to look a certain way and men can just wear suits
Women only earn 77cents that men earn
Women are expected to look after the kids
Women still get asked what they were wearing instead of telling men not to rape
Men still treat women as objects and many only want to have sex with a woman with no intention of getting to know her or learning anything about her mind
In summary women suffer from rape and societal expectations that men don't and we live in a rape culture and still a patriarchal society
Rapists are denigrated and ostracized by society in general. Rape is a statistical outlier, no matter how many false guess statistics from bias and disreputable sources may try and lie about, the fact is sexual assault occurs in .00076% of the population, of which rapes are an even smaller proportion of that number.
It's just completely illogical to call something that happens in .00076% an epidemic maintained by a cultural perpetuation in a country where rape is illegal and viewed with the highest level of disgust
Do you have any proof women don't enter male fields because of fear from any other source that's not blatant feminist fear mongering? Could you provide a source(for anything) that shows women in general don't make occupational choices of their own volition at rates different to men?
The truth is, men still bear the burden of expectation when it comes to income. Almost no female has to worry that if she loses her job, there's a chance she might lose her home and children. Men do not have this privilege that women do. This must verily perpetuate a male's need to earn and increase earnings. Men are routinely shamed by women who point out other higher earning men and their accumulation of assets and provisions for their families.
It's little wonder male suicide rates are so high.
Your weak diatribe against men and sex is nonsensical. No person is required to have feelings or anything more than sexual attraction to another human being they find attraction. Any other projection you make is arbitrary.
There is no patriarchy. Women are the majority voters in society. They are the majority of consumers, so if the argument is that government and CEO's have power, that power is to be acquiesced to the dominanant women force. In fact, the very dictionary definition of patriarchy that requires a male head of house, is completely untenable to the truth. The majority of children are mother raised and this figure is higher in single-parent families. Women make the majority of household decisions.
Children's teachers are mostly female.
There is no proof that male influence holds any more weight or power than the most proven factors or the mother's.
Patriarchy is completely debunked.
The is no discriminatory wage gap, which is why EVERY TIME someone tries to prove one, they offer some collation that does not include all the measurable differences in men and women's work. To prove a wage gap requires a study of men and women in the same job, same age, same training and qualifications and all the same hours work, overtime, travel expectations, sick leave, take home work, operating at the same level of output efficiency.
No such proof exists in one single job, let alone a conspiracy of all workplaces. Also, if women cost less to hire, no workplace would hire men and crush their opposition. It's just completely nonsensical.
Women choose to look after the kids, where men usually get zero choice.
Can you point to a single court case where a female was asked what she was wearing. This strawman canard is trotted out, but is rarely and actual factor. Also, teach everybody not to rape. A women's privilege to not be considered a rapist because laws don't include made to penetrate. That's systemic legal sexism against men to privilege women criminals.
In conclusion - You have proven nothing and rattled off debunked talking points and offered no proof and had obvious emotional reasoning. Women clearly have more privilege when they have more LIFE & Life is everything
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