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TheEnigma
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Are blacks the most violent race

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 8/24/2013 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Mherzer

Pro

I am not trying to be racist. I am just trying to figure out what others think. I think they are because everynight when I watch the news 9 out of 10 times its a black person being the shooter or being killed. There are a lot of great black people in our world. What do u think?
TheEnigma

Con

Before beginning I would like to remind the judges that the burden of proof rests in the hands of the pro, that the pro must prove that being black is a directly linked factor to wither or not you will commit a violent act.

My first contention is that the factors of economic class, and education are the biggest factors in statistically determining wither or not an individual will commit an act of violence. Those who are poor, and uneducated are statistically more likely to commit violent crimes. The black community itself is disproportionately more likely to face poverty and a lack of education, but this is due to a history of disadvantage, not an inherent racial trait.

My second contention is that the resolution is in itself, self defeating. It assumes that a trait which is applied to individuals can be broadly used to define an entire group of people. Even from a sociological perspective, you cannot use traits of large groups to define individuals when dealing with ascribed characteristics. Though crime statistics may show that a higher percentage of blacks commit a violent act than whites, this cannot be used to make direct statements about black people, because to do so is a fallacy of Argumentum ad Hominem and a false cause fallacy. You cannot definitively say that because an individual is black, they will commit a violent act.

Both of the points above should provide amply evidence to support the con.
Debate Round No. 1
Mherzer

Pro

Home > Opinions > Society > Are black people the most violent race?

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Are black people the most violent race?
Asked by: Mherzer
Related Topics: Race, United States, African American, Martin v. Hunter's Lessee, Barack Obama
Are black people the most violent race?
40% Say Yes
60% Say No
Yes, just look at police studies... You tell me...

Major Findings
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Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities.
Crime Rates
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Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
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When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely
than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
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Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and
Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.
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The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of
the population that is black and Hispanic.
Interracial Crime
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Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involv-
ing blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.
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Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-
five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are
Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are
black.
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Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against
a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
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Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes
against whites than vice versa.
Gangs
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Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.
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Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs.
Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.
Incarceration
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Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139
to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39
million.
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Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are
three times more likely.

Source: http://www.Colorofcrime.Com...
TheEnigma

Con

For this round I would like to remind the judges that statistics are not always relevant, and to list some examples, even ones to do with crime does not necessarily mean they matter. Here are a few TRUE facts that are irrelevant:

More than 98% of convicted felons are bread eaters.
More than 90% of violent crimes are committed within 24 hours of eating bread.
In the 18th century when over half of all bread was made in the home, the average life expectancy was under 50 years, infant mortality rates were unacceptably high, and diseases such as typhoid yellow fever and influenza ravaged many nations.
Fully half of all children who grow up in bread eating households score below average on standardized tests.
--The Dangers of Bread, Cincinnati Enquirer, April 29, 2010

All of the above statistics are true, but they are completely meaningless. The pro must prove that being black causes an individual to have a predetermined, inherent violent attitude. All of the pro's statistics are meaningless, I could argue likewise that whites have killed more people through genocide that blacks, or that whites kill more whites than blacks do but that is also meaningless. None of these things prove that a black individual is automatically more inclined to commit violence than a white individual.

The pro has the burden of proof and as such must show that an individual being black directly causes them to commit violent acts. As the pro has not done so yet I urge the judges to vote Con.
Debate Round No. 2
Mherzer

Pro

Well you can simpily look at a black persons criminal record. It's been proven that 85% of black men have a criminal record of some sort. Now wouldn't you say that 85% is a lot? I know I would. But not let's look at white people. It says that only 34% of white men have a criminal record. There u go case closed. I urge the judges to vote for pro
TheEnigma

Con

My opponent has once again shown an inability to distinguish between a correlation and causation. He has presented statistics yes, but has been unable to directly link an individuals race to his/her propensity to commit violence, As the Pro has yet again failed to directly link his contentions to his resolution I urge the judges to vote Con.

Remember that because the burden of proof is the Pro's, he must that prove that race is the direct factor that causes blacks to commit violence more than other races, not that they are statistically more likely to commit violence crimes. He must prove that such things as education and economic class are not the underlying causes for individuals to commit crimes of violence, as I have argued, but that blacks commit acts of violence simply because they are black.

The Con rejects this concept entirely on both pragmatic and philosophical grounds, as accepting that blacks are more violent than other races promotes racism, hate and violence in turn. One of the most famous and base concepts of US law and the US government is that "All men are created equal", and a vote for the Pro only denies this most base of concepts. I would like to once again urge the judges to vote for the Con.
Debate Round No. 3
Mherzer

Pro

Mherzer forfeited this round.
TheEnigma

Con

My opponent has forfeited this round and clearly lost the debate. Vote Con.
Debate Round No. 4
Mherzer

Pro

Mherzer forfeited this round.
TheEnigma

Con

TheEnigma forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
8 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 8 records.
Posted by funwiththoughts 3 years ago
funwiththoughts
And who exactly is this single "white man" who wiped out 50 million people on his own?

And keep in mind many of them died due to other causes like foreign diseases being transmitted.
Posted by funwiththoughts 3 years ago
funwiththoughts
anonymouse, did it ever occur to you that few if any blacks have ever had a giant empire with a huge military that they could use to kill people? "Power corrupts" as they say.
Posted by anonymouse 3 years ago
anonymouse
i think whites are the most violent, thats why they traveled all over the world killing people. have you ever heard of blacks traveling to australia to wipe out the entire native population? because thats exactly what white britishers did. christopher columbus killed 1 million native americans per year, and the u.s regime has a holiday celebrating this guy's crimes. according to estimates, the white man wiped out a good 50 million native americans. the usa, and europe spend more on military than the rest of the world combined.
Posted by STAGIESTCOSINE 3 years ago
STAGIESTCOSINE
Race is ONLY correlated to crime; that is simply a consequence of socio-economical status being the causation.

In a hypothetical American Society, where Blacks were the affluent race while the Whites poverty stricken, it would be the Whites committing the crime.

Ultimately, it's the poorest people in society who commit the crimes; it has less to do with the skin and more to do with section of society in which they operate (which is often forced upon them, with little opportunity to escape).
Posted by CatholicTraditionalist 3 years ago
CatholicTraditionalist
The reason blacks are more violent than other races is because of their genetic lineage which has been shaped by their ancestors thousands of years ago who were pagans and performed evil acts upon others in the name of their false gods. How do I know this? Simply read the history of the early Africans before white man explored Africa. The only way for blacks to discard such violent tempers is to reject all forms of paganism, apostasies, atheism and heresies. And the only way they can do so is to join the Holy Catholic Church and humbled themselves to all that the Holy Catholic Church teachings and professes.

Lets remember that whites were also a violent group of people before Christianity was brought to Rome. It is the Christian Church which is only the Holy Catholic Church that changed the hearts and minds of those in the Roman empire.
Posted by Mherzer 3 years ago
Mherzer
I am not trying to be racist but studies and numerous news reports have shown that they are.
Posted by GargamelTheWizard 3 years ago
GargamelTheWizard
This is an extremely bad topic for discussion. I totally agree with the con
Posted by kari.helmer13 3 years ago
kari.helmer13
No.Blacks are just as violent as whites we are all the same in some ways whites can dark like blacks and blacks can be white too.Blacks just are just a different color than whites.Stop thinking just because blacks are a different color they are more violent!.
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Vote Placed by sweetbreeze 3 years ago
sweetbreeze
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