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Are girls held to a higher standard than boys?

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Started: 2/9/2015 Category: Society
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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adroth19

Pro

Yes, they are. Girls are held to a higher standard just because of stereotypical people from the moment they are born. The first double standard is pink vs. blue. Pink is supposed to be a girl and blue a boy but sometimes it doesnt have to work that way. Girls are allowed to dress and like the color blue as boys are pink. But all in all, girls are held to the standard where they are supposed to be perfect in the eyes of someone. Skinny, good grades, responsible, caring are just a few things that many people think girls automatically are. If a girl is different from certain standards she is sometimes left out or found weird because she doesn't meet the standards that other people set for her.
Parent even hold children- boy vs. girl- to a different standard in many different things. Such as, responsibility, grades, weight, chores, babysitting, dating and many other things. In my personal experience I have noticed many things that are different between the way I am treated vs. the way my brothers are treated.
Nivek

Con

"Girls are held to a higher standard just because of stereotypical people from the moment they are born. The first double standard is pink vs. blue. Pink is supposed to be a girl and blue a boy but sometimes it doesnt have to work that way. Girls are allowed to dress and like the color blue as boys are pink."

Incorrect. Again you're drawing a line based on colorism. You have not pointed out how one color is inferior to the other. If having dark skin or tan skin inferior to being white, then you need to say so with reason. A bare assertion is an unproven claim.

"girls are held to the standard where they are supposed to be perfect in the eyes of someone. Skinny, good grades, responsible, caring are just a few things that many people think girls automatically are. "

So you conclude that there are gender roles within the system. By utilizing one's sexes, you do realize that it is an act of sexism, restricting one's sex to suit whoever's goal. The #HeForShe initiative (1.http://www.heforshe.org...) is a rubbish movement created by the liberal feminist Emma Worthless Watson, who's goal is to utilize males to suit women's needs. Again vice versa, the same thing applies.Hence, You can't have equality by utilizing one sex for the other sex or implementing one role for the sake of the other.

"Parent even hold children- boy vs. girl- to a different standard in many different things. Such as, responsibility, grades, weight, chores, babysitting, dating and many other things. In my personal experience I have noticed many things that are different between the way I am treated vs. the way my brothers are treated."

And what standards within responsibility,grades and chores etc do each gender hold? Again, we need specifics, no use in generalizing and simplifying complex phenomenon.

Ann Oakley forwarded such an alternative case (2.http://regodiploma.wikispaces.com...). TL;DR girls are given dish washers, stoves as toys, implying that they be canalized into these typical stereotype. The same thing can be said for males, males are taught to be breadwinners, to be the leading role in the household. Both are disadvantage in that for each gender, there are strict canalized socialization that oppresses individuals of either sex, be it Male or Female or other genders.

Pro provided only bare assertions, both sexes as well as other unidentified sexes are actually in a disadvantaged position. The resolution is negated.

Debate Round No. 1
adroth19

Pro

"Again you're drawing a line based on colorism. You have not pointed out how one color is inferior to the other. If having dark skin or tan skin inferior to being white, then you need to say so with reason. A bare assertion is an unproven claim."

Going back to the pink and blue argument, blue is not inferior to pink nor pink is to blue, but you see when you walk into a store that sells things for newborn babies is it not true that on one side there is boy clothing/products that is overwhelmed with the color blue while the girl section is overwhelmed by the color pink. From the minute you are born you are already hit with the fact that a girl MUST wear the color pink and a boy MUST wear the color blue. Why? Because that is what is already associated with the gender of the baby. A study that was done was showing that a girl dressed in blue was shown to be tough, strong and stubborn while when a boy was put in pink he was said to be "adorable, cuddly, and sweet" Does that not show the stereotypical double standard that babies are automatically faced with.
Source: http://hersheybroadcaster.com...

"So you conclude that there are gender roles within the system"

Of course there are. Have you not seen when people in everyday life are told what to do based on gender. You have something heavy to lift, who are you going to ask to do it? A boy or a girl? If you want someone to make a certain meal for something like a pot luck or something who are you going to ask to do it? A boy or a girl? Gender roles are already predetermined based on the act being committed. Are girls not looked at responsible to be able to do the more caring, softer, and less challenging things in life? Boys are looked at someone who is able to do something more challenging.

Okay, say you are walking down a boardwalk or even just a street, and you notice people are wearing bathing suits. When you see a guy who is shirtless it is not a big deal while if you see a girl walking shirtless with just a bathing suit top on it is considered seductive or flaunting. The same thing with cursing. Boys cursing is seen as confidence, while if a girl is cursing it is crude or unpleasing.
Nivek

Con

Thank You.

Pro's Pink Vs. Blue Case

Pro acknowledges by observation that shops collectively socialize children into linear patterns of color preference and simply by color alone, Value Judgements are being passed. The problem with this argument is that Pro's case rest entirely on 'society' excluding any biological and interpretive theories on children. Pro also acknowledges the fact that neither color is superior and that aggression is assigned to its respective color, however Pro did not, whatsoever tried to prove how Girls are held to a higher standard. If both genders are assigned to each respective position, what does it matter if both are held at the same standard?

Pro failed to upheld the position how Girls are held higher than boys. The argument is a non sequitor

Gender Roles

Furthermore, Pro believes that there are gender roles and argued a huge discontentment with how gender roles are carried out, that is fine. I have absolutely no problem with it. If Pro's theory is correct, how does one specific gender role supersedes the other in terms of standard?. Again, You did not point how one roles is superior than the other. All you did was implying a discontentment with gender roles none of which are in line with proving how girls are held at a higher standard.

Pro's entire argument had the same weakness that is the inability to correlate gender roles with the 'superior standards of girls'.Failing to upheld such a crucial premise renders the resolution negated.
Debate Round No. 2
adroth19

Pro

adroth19 forfeited this round.
Nivek

Con

I enjoyed while it lasted, Thanks for the debate. The debate proffered by me is of low quality, without any research papers cited. so please save your time and don't read. LOL.
Debate Round No. 3
adroth19

Pro

adroth19 forfeited this round.
Nivek

Con

Keep this crappy debate a tie. I can't believe how lazy this was. LOL




Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by DraftyBasilisk 2 years ago
DraftyBasilisk
Pro,

So you say Girls are told to wear pink and boys are told to wear blue... The problem with this is...? The baby is not being given standards to meet, they are just wearing the fashions that their parents choose for them. You don't want baby girls to be dressed in pink? Petition to the parents, not the rest of us. Besides, this does not place higher standards on girls, because the same standards are PLACED ON THE BOYS AS WELL! There may be a difference in the colour, but that does not mean the more significance is being placed on the girls than the boys.
A lot of the time you seem to be stating differences society places on women that do no real harm and are applied to MEN AS WELL. For example -
when you talk about needing something heavy lifted you go to a guy and when you need cooking done you go to a women -
Not only is this an overarching assumption with no evidence or detail to support it, but you also falsely assume that heavy lifting is 'more challenging' - This is what I like to call an 'opinion'. I have never regarded heavy lifting as harder than cooking. In fact, to be good at either is a very large challenge. If, however, this bias is present, then the fact that you could name examples for BOTH MEN and WOMEN means that the significance is on BOTH THE MEN AND WOMEN. The only person putting the more significance on women so far is you with your arguments. At the moment I am convinced that there are social differences placed on both men and women, not that the women are held to a higher standard than the men.

Then there is your argument that men and women walking around with their tops off are set with different standards. Like the rest of your argument, you fail to give evidence for this past what you ASSUME is the bias. there is no evidence for your argument past personal belief and so it is not an argument, it is an assumption.
Posted by jsgolfer 2 years ago
jsgolfer
I wish I had accepted this. Con missed a huge opportunity to severely damage Pro's position.
Posted by Nivek 2 years ago
Nivek
"...we want them to stand up and be independent out of fear that someone could try to dominate them"

Thanks for taking the time to post your opinion, Andrea39.
Posted by Andrea39 2 years ago
Andrea39
I think this topic or argument is definitely dripping with frustration and emotion. Sometimes that makes it hard to see the flip side. 2 things- we as woman have sure done some ignorant things for the "greater good" that have caused damage to the very pride and value of being a woman. We also accept and encourage more than we realize when it comes to unhealthy objectivity and disrespectful treatment. I think there is an instinctual need to protect and prepare our daughters to be better and more accountable. Only because we want them to stand up and be independent out of fear that someone could try to dominate them
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