Are self harm and suicide immoral?
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Suicide can be considered a dark decision made by a person on his own self. While every person has rights that allow them to be their own property, suicide has a great effect on the person's environment. If anyone kills themselves, then they are causing great harm to all those who depend on them. Every person has a great psychological and ethical effect on their environment. This ethical radiatory effect is generally because of the emotional impact they have on many people. If a person commits suicide, their death will have great depressive emotional impact on all those that love them. Every person in the world has other people caring for them. So, if the person commits suicide or harms oneself, then they are causing great emotional harm to other people, and are justifiably answerable to all those people emotionally or psychologically harmed by them, else that person is violating basic human ethical viewpoints.
Self harm causes further pain to one's environment, because self-harm is generally more painful than suicide. It is unjust to all those that one has evolved to gain care from.
Conclusion: Self-harm and suicide are not morally justifiable because of the negative emotional impact they have on people.
It is like saying chemotherapy is immoral because seeing a bald cancer patient makes you sad.
The same goes for suicide. It's really hard to understand depression if you don't have it, I am not an exception here. But people with depression do not want to be sad, they want to continue their life healthily. And when a person with depression decides to attempt suicide it is because they feel like they cannot go on, they don't want to live another day in which all they want to do is cry. Most people with depression who kill themselves do so 6 months after seeking professional help. Imagine how it must feel to have a mental condition that destroys all your happiness and robs you of your will to live, and then to realise the best help money can buy isn't working. Once again, how arrogant do you have to be to look at a person who has lost the will to keep on going and just wants all the pain to be over, and conclude that they have to keep on going through the pain just because of you. You are utterly repulsive if you look at a person who's lost all will to live, and conclude that person is an immoral wretch.
In conclusion, people commit suicide and self harm because they have nothing left they can do. And pointing at these people and calling them immoral is not only idiotic and evil. It's dangerous. They do what they do because it's all they have left and then they're told that they're wrong for doing it. I think its not them who are the immoral ones here.
Clinical depression can be eased, even cured; death cannot, and nor can the people affected by another's death.
First of all, we pretty much know that there is no afterlife. Human consciousness and everything we are, every single tiny part of your personality is powered and stored in your brain. In fact to be honest humans are more like brains walking around in a life-support suit. Yes I suppose it might not be very nice to think like this but years of studying neuroscience has proven it to be true. The brain also needs oxygen to survive, about five minutes of not having any and it'll shut down and die. And once the brain is dead, you are dead and so is everything you ever were. Its like wiping a hard drive, the materials are still there but the contents are gone. So there cannot really be an afterlife because once your brain is no longer alive, the thing that made you you is gone.
Secondly even if this weren't the case it still wouldn't make any sense because by the same logic the afterlife could be a place of happiness when all the pain was gone, so in that sense committing suicide was the best move possible.
As I have already said, depression destroys lives. It makes it impossible for the person to live a happy life, robs them of all energy, effort and will to live they have had. And some people can have it for years and years without there being any change or it getting any easier. Depression is one of the worst things that can happen to a person, it can over time destroy a person to the extent everyday feels like utter hell. And if they can't handle it anymore and just want the pain to go away then that is their right, it is not selfish or immoral. Yes of course it will affect their loved ones, but if you think the person felt obliged to stick around and to keep going through all that pain just for you then you are a selfish, entitled reprobate plain and simple
The title of this debate is "Are self harm and suicide immoral?" in a general sense. In cases of psychological disorders (bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, clinical depression), suicide is forgivable, if not moral. Yet, in a case when one wishes to end one's life out of simply non-clinical sadness or despair, then suicide is immoral for the reasons stated in my first argument. If this debate was inclusive of all such categorical plausibilities, then there should have been proper definitions. Thus, the first argument stands for lack of proper definitions. In certain cases, suicide can be considered forgivable, but not in most.
Sources: Stay: A History of Suicide and the Philosophies Against It by Jennifer Michael Hecht, www.psychiatrictimes.com
I've said it multiple times but if everyday is another day in which all you do is cry, cut yourself and want to die and nothing you have done has helped or ever will help then of course they're going to want to end it. The pain of losing a loved one is nothing when compared to suffering through years of depression.
I'll ask Pro a question directly. Do you think someone you love should feel obliged to keep living through the mental and physical torture of depression when everyday they just want the pain to be over just for you?
Secondly how is suicide an illogical thought? Just to put it simply, they have a pain that is so great and so seemingly infinite that every day is hell, suicide will mean they don't have to go through the hell anymore.
Thirdly, yes okay there are reasons people commit suicide besides psychological disorders e.g. temporary sadness sadness like a break up or being in enormous debt. And in that case I suppose you may have some resemblance of a point. But for the reasons I have addressed in all of the rounds suicide due to depression is tragic. But understandable, reasonable and certainly not immoral.
I want to make it clear though that I am not encouraging ANYONE to commit suicide. You need to take the fight day by day, and live for the moments when you are happy. Be around people you love and just keep going because you're strong and you shouldn't let the demons win. However if you cannot go on then what you do is your decision and your alone and other people who don't understand your pain have no right to force you into anything
In conclusion, when I once received a phone call from my friend saying she had just tried to kill herself and couldn't be alone that night I showed up, hugged her and told her how much I loved her. I did not tell her how much of a moral reprobate she is and self-righteously say how dare she make me feel like this. Suicide is horrific, if I had to lose my friend I don't know what I'd do. But its her choice, and I thank whatever God there is up there she has had the strength to keep on going.
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Vote Placed by Paleophyte 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Con argued well that suicide is not immoral. Pro's rebuttals were brief and weak. This appears to be a topic that is very close to Con's heart, not something that always makes for good debating.
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