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Are the New Orleans Saints a Legitimate Super Bowl Contender

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Started: 11/17/2013 Category: Sports
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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StgermainMSC2014

Pro

As things stand in the NFC South as of 5:30 pm on Sunday, November 17, 2013 the New Orleans Saints are leading the division by one game over the Carolina Panthers. New Orleans has been playing extremely well and superstar Quarterback Drew Brees is having another Pro Bowl caliber season. With the teams defense improving greatly under new Defensive coordinator Rob Ryan the team looks likely to be a serious contender for the Super Bowl.
With the reemergence of a strong defense for the team, which recorded the worst defense in the 2012-2013 season, the Saints look poised to make another Super Bowl run this season and the outcome could very realistically end very similarly to that of Super Bowl XLIV when the Saints won their first Super Bowl. The team's defense in both the 2010 Super Bowl season and this season are noticeably similar. The defense was really the only thing that held the club back in the 2012-2013 season when they finished 8-8 recording the worst defense in the NFL" EVER. Finishing 8-8 with that pulling them down is an immense feat, speaking to the talent on the offensive side of the ball. With this turn around I see no way that the Saints can not at the very least make, if not win Super Bowl XLVIII.
Haleymsc2014

Con

I, as an unbiased NFL fan, believe that the New Orleans football Saints are not a legitimate Super Bowl contender. This is based off of their pathetic defense, which s constantly under achieving. Granted that they are the leading their division, but their division along with 95% of the the NFC is pure garbage. For example the Saints "improving defense" averages 5 yards per carry. Which any well balanced team will be able to attack in the play offs. Their secondary is also vulnerable. Gifted quarterbacks will with out a doubt shred their defense and the saint's one dimensional offense will not be able to keep up with their opponent.
Debate Round No. 1
StgermainMSC2014

Pro

The vulnerable secondary which you mention is actually the 3rd best ranked pass defense in the NFL, and the 4th ranked total defense in the league. Allowing just 191.4 passing yards per game in a pass dominated league, if this stellar play from the secondary should more than suffice in the playoffs. Now, the team's run defense is sub-par and I must agree, however, they are VERY clutch. An example of the run defense successfully coming up in the clutch came in week 11 when the Saints held the San Fransisco 49ers, one of the top teams in the NFC to a season low in both total and rushing yards. With the tandem of Colin Kapernick and Franklin Delano Gore hold this team's rush offense is an extremely difficult task. Gore came into the game averaging 77.7 yards per game to only 48 yards. So the defense can step up when necessary in big game situations, especially in the final quarter when the Saints tackled Gore for losses constantly with the game on the line, proving the teams defensive abilities.
Haleymsc2014

Con

The fact that you had the audacity to sit here and tell me that the Saints have a so called "clutch" defense is appalling. I do agree that the defense has improved, but is no means clutch. For example, in week 6, the Saints came out of the swamp to meet the patriots in the immaculate Gillette Stadium. The Saints were leading for most of the second half, however, the offense failed to kill the clock giving TB12 one more chance. The future first ballad Hall of Fame quarterback lead the scrappy Patriots down the field for a 70 yard game winning drive capped with a touchdown to my boy KT with five seconds left. This just one more example on how the defense fails to show up when the game is on the line.
Debate Round No. 2
StgermainMSC2014

Pro

Does Lebron James hit every 3-point game winning shot? No. Does Mariano Rivera always get the save in every opportunity? Of course not. Succeeding in every clutch moment is impossible and to expect a stop on every single clutch drive is assenine: Regardless of Defensive ability the Saints also boast another impressive stat on the opposite side of the ball.
Lead by Drew Brees, one of the top three quarterbacks in the league this season (Manning, Brees, Rodgers), the team is 2nd in the league in both total offense and pass yards per game. The team's usually modest run game has also shown great improvement over the past two weeks with the team rushin for over 275 yards in both games combined. This touch of an offensive run game helps Brees and enables one of the best QB-TE combos in the league today (if not ever) in Brees and Jimmy Graham to unleash their fury on opposing defensive nuts attempting to shut down the blossoming run game. 419 yds per game is well enough to score 17-28 points at least every week. If the team continues to play as they are playing I would go as far as to say that they are a LOCK for the NFC championship and the Super Bowl.
Haleymsc2014

Con

The Saints are one of the best teams in the NFC, but they aren't better thatn the Seattle Seahawks (10-1). The Seahawks have a well balanced offense lead by Russel Wilson and Marshawn "Beast Mode" Lynch. It is a real possiblitity that the NFC championship game will be between the Seahawks and the Saints, where I believe that the Seahawks will be able to handle the inconsistent Saints.
Debate Round No. 3
StgermainMSC2014

Pro

The Seahawks are very good, I'll give you that, but they are really the only major threat in the division. Seattle's defense is solid, but how can you put Their best defensive player Richard Sherman on Brees' main target Graham? It's mismatch! On the offensive side if the ball the Saints totally outmatch the Seahawks. As I have gone over in previous arguments the defense is at the very least serviceable and can handle what Seattle brings to the table on most days. With the teams solid secondary it is very realistic that the Saints could force Seattle into a one dimensional run game forcing the Seahawks to win the game on the ground. Something that the saints have improved upon is their tackling, you can tell this just by watching the games. This of course was New Orleans Achilles Heel in 2012 when Marshawn Lynch caused an earthquake in Seattle. So if the Saints D-line can make stops consistently like they did in week 11 against Frank Gore and the 49ers then I believe with all my heart that the Saints of New Orleans will make this years Super Bowl!
Haleymsc2014

Con

Hahahahahaha, "The Saints could force Seattle into a one dimensional run game". There is absolutely no chance that the Saints can handle the explosive Seattle offense. The Seahawks revamped their receiving core by acquiring Percy Harvin, and they can also run the read option perfectly. Let alone the fact that they have Marshawn Lynch, who constantly shreads the saints "improving" defense. All of these options give them many ways to score. Since the Seahawks hare basically the only realistic threat to the saints in the NFC, I believe that they will defeat the saints and represent the NFC in the Super Bowl.
Debate Round No. 4
StgermainMSC2014

Pro

"Improving"? How about you just say improved. 4th ranked total defense. At 9-2 the saints are by far one of the top competitors in the NFC. Adding one reciever does not make an offense's pass game simply revamped over night. When facing a top 5 NFL defense a young player like Russell Wilson is highly likely to make mistakes leading to more offensive possessions for New Orleans. As we both know with more possessions the higher the chance that Drew Brees will devour their defense. As Seattle is their main opposition in the NFC, if the Saints can cause Wilson to make mistakes, which young quarterbacks are often prone to, then the Saints will be able to put their Super Bowl hopes on the back of Brees and eventually become Super Bowl Champions once again! As one of the top statistically ranked teams in the NFL they have a very good chance of turning back to Super Bowl form and defeating whatever team comes out of the AFC after the Saints annihilate Seattle and the rest of the NFC.
Haleymsc2014

Con

Even though the Saints are one of the best teams in the NFC, behind the Seahawks and the 49er's they will not be able to beat the team representing the AFC in the Super Bowl (Patriots or Broncos). The Saints constantly play subpar teams which obviously is going to make them look good. Once the playoffs come the saints will have to play a solid team and their one deminsional offense and "improved" defense will not be able to hold up. One more thing....DREW BREES SUCKS
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by silvestrimsc2014 3 years ago
silvestrimsc2014
Drew i just do not think that the saints will ever make it to the super bowl in this year they just do not have enough skill evenly distributed through out their whole team.
Posted by pereiramsc2014 3 years ago
pereiramsc2014
I meant or
Posted by StgermainMSC2014 3 years ago
StgermainMSC2014
Theresa... Are you kidding? Denver and the Pats are both in the AFC... That means they can't play each other in the Super Bowl. Big fans we have here!
Posted by pereiramsc2014 3 years ago
pereiramsc2014
Since I have to comment on 3 debates, why not pick this one just to irritate Drew. The New Orleans Saints are not legitimate super bowl contenders because what ever Drew thinks I will argue the opposite. I mean anything can happen but... really the super bowl is going to be Denver and The Pats. I am a Pats fan but also a Broncos fan for one reason, Wes Welker, but those are two very strong teams in my opinion. So basically the Saints, all though you may love them Drew, they will not make it to the super bowl, and if by chance they do you can rub it in all of our faces until we die. :)
Posted by MelaragnoMSC2014 3 years ago
MelaragnoMSC2014
I believe that the New Orleans saints have a very fair chance of being in the Super Bowl. They are a solid team who, on a good day, can dominate the field and if they are a little off they have the skill to hold their own and keep the game close. Personally I am a Patriots fan but based on the facts and statistics it is pretty clear that they could have some chance of making it into the Super Bowl but they would have somewhat of a hard time winning.
Posted by StgermainMSC2014 3 years ago
StgermainMSC2014
The defense is ranked 4th in the league...
Posted by superman1226 3 years ago
superman1226
I dont think that saints is a legitimate super bowl contender due to their poorness of defense.
Go Patriot
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