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Nd2400
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Lionstar
Con (against)

Are we headed toward another World War??

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Started: 12/7/2017 Category: Politics
Updated: 8 months ago Status: Debating Period
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Nd2400

Pro

There are many areas in the world that war could break out. Such as in Asian, in the South China Sea, the northern part of Europe, or even in Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia or other parts of the middle east, plus we have the North Korea crisis, if the US and China don't handle this correctly it could trigger a war with each other. I know what happened in world war 1 was a build up before there was an actual war like in 1908 there were signs the world was headed toward a world war. Then after a few years of the military buildup, then a smoking gun happen in 1914, which the assassination of Austria president happens after those things got out of hand. World war 2 had another way of starting, it was around 1934 or 1935 before there were other signs of a world war happening again. Then Germany invaded Poland in 1939, then world war 2 happen. Another note that is important is both world war the general public didn't think world war would ever happen. Same kind of things is happening right now. I would say the military buildup started around 2014, so it will take some years before an actual war breaks out. Now we are near the end of 2017. Some examples of what is happening in today world are Russia and Nato's playing major military war games. Russia and the US are clearly not going to be on the same page in the worldviews, and that is leading to mistrust and a lot of tenses between the two countries. Then we have China playing a major factor in today world. First China is clearly not helping the US with trading, nor controlling the North Korea crisis. China say one thing about the North, and then do the other. We have India and China not getting along and almost started a war with each other in the summer. If things get heated again, what side do you think the US will be on? Tell you this it's not on China side. The US also has big issues on the islands China made in the south china sea. We have another thing not favoring the US, and that is Russia and China have military alliances and being partners on each other economics. Both countries now have a good working relationship. Not good for the US, nor the Nato alliances.

Round one will be starting your arguments why we are not headed toward war.

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Lionstar

Con

I think that there will not be a world war because of nukes. For countries that don't have nukes a world war on their level could happen but it could never contain two superpowers that are not on the same side because of MAD or mutually assured destruction so Russia and the USA could never go to war without making earth unsuitable for life.
Debate Round No. 1
Nd2400

Pro

Firstly I want to thank you Lionstar for accepting this debate.

You say you don't think we will be going into a world war because we have nukes, interesting but i will go full detail later in this round why nuke doesn't guarantee a safe haven. You also said superpower countries would never go into a direct conflict with each other no more. Mostly because we have nukes and they won't actually go through with a conflict with each other. So, before i begin answering your question on why it not only possible but it will happen rather it be in a couple of years or within ten years or another hundred years we will get into another world war. But to get to a world war or hopefully avoid a war we need to understand history.

Over the last 500 years been very challenging for humans. Some experts think major wars runs in cycles, like in American history. The American Revolution, the Civil war, ww1, and ww2. A theory is a major war happens every 70 to 80 years. Base on this, we are right about there for another big war. According to Graham Tillett Allison, is an American political scientist and professor at the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, we are entering Thucydides trap. There is another reason why I'm thinking we are getting closer to a war each day. And some of it I mention in the first round, such as the military buildup across the world. China is a rising superpower, as for the US they been a superpower already for over the last 200 hundred years. In a Thucydides trap, a rising power will challenge the dominance power, over trade, territorial areas, military, and economy.

You don't think we are coming closer toward something happening like a world war. Yes, one of the biggest argument is the technology we have with nukes, no one would use them. With more countries having them 10 nuclear-armed countries with North Korea included, no leader will use them. The cold war, no one used them, but the people that were living in that era, they still remember what happened when the first time the atomic bomb was used. Now most of those people that lived in that era not alive anymore. That's why some expert's are seeing a human trend, a major war happen in every generation lifespan, like every 80 years. Another argument is war is just too expensive, and many lives would be lost. That is true but it was true back then too, with other major wars. Yes, the weapons of today would almost kill us all, so you can't use the past as an example, but all it takes is one miscalculation, one mistake, and a couple of buttons pushed, and we have nukes flying. We should be careful about the future, and try to look back at history so we don't do the same mistake. Now with So many other countries having these kinds of weapons, it makes things so much more difficult. New rules now in play, and many nations don't know where the red lines are. They are major military build-up across the world, they not building just for nothing. I said before most people didn't see the other two wars happening until it's too late.

"The rise of a more politically and militarily assertive Russia and an economically and institutionally ascendant China may be characterized as the two principal forces challenging the United States in global policymaking." (1.)http://thediplomat.com...... China and Russia will join together if the US attack 1st. One reason is that its next door to the north. And they do not want the US being anywhere there.You need to understand the history of geopolitics.

Putin himself said he will use a nuclear weapon in Europe. Not as a last resort, but as a first strike. He said this last year. He also thinks by using a nuke first, Europe and the US wouldn't go that far. So it would deter other countries. Just by using his thinking alone is very dangerous. Let's don't forget he also wants Nato to be split in half. Why so it could be the old Soviet Union again. He was a former KBG. He and China see a threat, and that is the US. There won't say it in public, at least not as former. But countries now being partner in military and helping each other in their economy

The way I see it, the world is preparing to go to war. The war could happen soon or it could happen within 2 years to the next 10 years. Sure we had the cold war, and nothing happens, but we need to know why nothing happens then and that is because Russia and the US knew the red lines. Now the red lines have moved, and we really don't know where there are. Now there is more player in the game with a lot of power and these red lines haven't been set. SO with no new rules, the game of war is so much more dangerous.

So, even with nuclear weapons, it doesn't make the world a safer place, it did once like the 60's to the mid-2010's. But now with new rising power AKA China and Russia, then we have the North Korea issues which could bring another war world. And let me make it clear China will assist the North if they were attacked first. "The Sino-North Korean Mutual Aid and Cooperation Friendship Treaty is a treaty signed on July 11, 1961 between North Korea and the People's Republic of China." (2.))https://en.wikipedia.org...... this is a treaty with the North Korea and China. Do you know why it's important? It because China would protect them if there were attack first.

You think we not even close toward another world war, mean to me you not opening your eyes nor ears to what is happening around the world. We have a flashpoint with the North Korea crisis, that could bring in China if things are not handled right. We also have a flashpoint in Europe between Nato and Russia, We also have a flashpoint in the middle east with tensions rising all across this region. We also have a chance with a direct conflict between the US and China, and tension rising every day between US and Russia. We are already in a new cold war, and this is much more dangerous than in the past. We are headed toward a war. We haven't learned from the past.

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Posted by Nd2400 8 months ago
Nd2400
So what happens? You Forfeited...
It because you don't have a good answer to reply back?
Posted by Lionstar 8 months ago
Lionstar
ok
Posted by Nd2400 8 months ago
Nd2400
Okay i send you the challenge...

Remember round one is getting right in to it....
Posted by Lionstar 8 months ago
Lionstar
It says You cannot accept this challenge because you do not match the Instigator's age and/or rank criteria.
Posted by Lionstar 8 months ago
Lionstar
Can you open your debate .
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