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pao09
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Rousseau
Con (against)
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37 Points

Argentina soccer team is better than Brazil soccer team.

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Started: 1/7/2008 Category: Sports
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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pao09

Pro

Argentina soccer team play better together as a team. Brazil has great individual players but they suck as team players.
Rousseau

Con

Well, I can get more in-depth later, but I want to get this down quickly.

Well your point was that Argentina is better because they play as a team better. Give me something that shows Argentina playing better, and maybe your point can have some weight, but because you haven't given any (in-so-far credible) points, I'll give some.

My Points on Why Brazil Is Better

1. Better Historically
2. Better Players
3. Head On Competition Between Argentina

1. Well, this point should be pretty brief. The stage where success is measure most is the FIFA World Cup. Out of all the nations that compete, Brazil has won the most championships (5). Argentina has just won 2. Obviously, Argentina isn't as good of a team, historically, as Brazil. This is important because the past tends to dictate the future. We can look to the past to see common patterns that may well emerge again. Because Argentina hasn't done as well, there is less to guarantee they will be better in the future. Now of course I can't give a definite claim on who will be better in the future, as there is a litany of factors well out of my control. However, I can give the best estimate, and that would be Brazil.

2. Well, you conceded this in your first post, and therefore I don't have to prove it, so I'll just talk about significance. What we need to know here, is that the team with the best players, wins the most. I'll give an example into a sport more popular in America (which is what debate.org is most comprised of). My example will be the New York Yankees of Major League Baseball. Now, it is widely known that the Yankees are big spenders, and widely acknowledged that they buy their players. Because of this, it is logical to say that they have the best individual players. This has happened ever since Babe Ruth's trade to New York, which launched them into a pre-eminent team. Since that, they have won 26 championships. Comparatively, the next best team has won something like 13. This sums it all up. The team with the better players usually wins.

3. Alright, this is going to be a big point here. I can talk about as many factors as possible, but the truth of the matter is that the only way we can determine who is better, is to look at matches between the two teams. Well, the teams have played two games recently. One on September 3rd, 2006 and another on July 15, 2007. In these two games, Brazil won both 3-0. However, I think it would be more prudent to talk about the more recent game. In that game, Roberto Ayala scored in his own goal (giving Brazil a lead which they would never relinquish). The only point my opponent made was that Argentina had good teamwork. Now I'm not saying that this means their teamwork stinks, but would a team with good teamwork: A). Score no points OR B). Score on themselves. I think not.

Well, for these reasons, and the fact that I have negated my opponent's one point, I ask for a Con ballot. Thank you for your time, and thank you to my opponent for the debate.
Debate Round No. 1
pao09

Pro

pao09 forfeited this round.
Rousseau

Con

Arguments haven't been responded to... Nothing much to say.
Sum Up Points:
1. Better Historically
2. Better Players
3. Head On Competition Between Argentina
So for lack of clash, I should win.
Debate Round No. 2
pao09

Pro

pao09 forfeited this round.
Rousseau

Con

Again, lack of clash dictates that I should win. Nothing much to say.

Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Rousseau 8 years ago
Rousseau
Heh, yeah. Although I do follow soccer a little bit, and do think that Brazil is a better team, you are right. I'll debate anything unless I strongly, strongly disagree with the stance I'd have to advocate.
Posted by zakkuchan 8 years ago
zakkuchan
Rousseau, you'll debate anything, won't you?
Posted by Rousseau 8 years ago
Rousseau
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Posted by Rousseau 8 years ago
Rousseau
Arguments haven't been responded to... Nothing much to say.
Sum Up Points:
1. Better Historically
2. Better Players
3. Head On Competition Between Argentina
So for lack of clash, I should win.
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