As per the Hebrew scriptures, Satan is an obedient angel.
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The Hebrew Bible is in this debate is the only authoritative book to be used.
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And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the LORD stood in the way for an adversary H7854 against him. Now he was riding upon his donkey, and his two servants were with him.
Same as previous verse.
To avoid taking too much time, most verses using "Satan" are human adversary and I will skip those verses because they are irrelevant to our topic.
1Sa 29:4, 2Sa 19:22, 1Ki 5:4, 1Ki 11:14, 1Ki 11:23, 1Ki 11:25, 1Ch 21:1
And Satan H7854 stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
This is not specifically "The" adversary. In Hebrew, to be The Satan, we would need to have the adjective "HA" before Satan. It was just an adversary. We can also see in 2 Samuel 24 that G-d himself moved him to do the census. Thus that adversary was doing the will of G-d.
Again the anger of the LORD was aroused against Israel, and He moved David against them to say, "Go, number Israel and Judah."
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan H7854 came also among them.
This is the first instance where "HaSatan" הַשָּׂטָן; The Satan is used.
Job 1:7, Job 1:8, Job 1:9
All those verses actually use "The Satan". or The adversary.
And the LORD said unto (THE) Satan, H7854 Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan H7854 went forth from the presence of the LORD.
And (THE) Satan obeyed G-d and did exactly that. So Satan was obedient to G-d and did not hurt Job.
Job 2:1, Job 2:2, Job 2:3, Job 2:4, Job 2:6
And the LORD said unto Satan, H7854 Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life.
Again, Satan afflicted Job, but obeyed G-d and kept Job alive. Thus Satan was a tool of G-d and Satan always obeys G-d.
Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan H7854 stand at his right hand.
This verse should only be translate as "an adversary"
And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan H7854 standing at his right hand to resist him. And the LORD said unto Satan, H7854 The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; H7854 even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
For this instance, the word "the adversary" was used. Why was this adversary condemning Jeshua the High Priest? In Ezra 10:18, the sons of Jeshua were married with foreign women.
And it was found of the sons of the priests who brought in foreign women, of the sons of Jeshua, the son of Jozadak, and his brothers: Maaseiah, Eliezer, Jarib, and Gedaliah.
That adversary was saying that Jeshua should not be the high Priest. Now, there is no indication that this adversary was actually an angel (messenger). Angel are actually messengers from G-d. (https://www.blueletterbible.org...) This would make sense that it is a human being that was challenging Jeshua's right to be a high priest. And again, this adversary was not shown to be disobedient to G- in any way.
Those are the only instance where the word "Satan" is used. Because none of those adversaries were rebellious to G-d or disobedient to G-d, there is no reason to believe Satan was an evil angel as per the Hebrew Bible
Let's look as some verse: 2 Corinthians 11:14
"And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. "
This means that Satan wishes to deceive us,and make us believe he's something he's not. People who do that are liars,just as this must mean he's lying and is the exact opposite of what he's trying to make us believe he is.
To back this up lets look at John 8:44 "You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies." This comes form John,one of Jesus's apostles. And John is saying here that Satan lies in everything he does. So when I said earlier about Satan deceiving us about him a being an angel of light,this backs that up.
Now let's look at some textual biblical evidence that says that the devil is just "the opposite of God."
James 4:7 "Submit yourself therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."
It's saying here that the devil is after you,but when God comes inside of you,he will flee. He doesn't like God and he doesn't want God around. That's my point.
Please note that my text is condensed since I am typing this on my phone
All my arguments stand as Isaiah 45:7 say "I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create evil; I, the LORD, do all these things."
"How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; above the stars of God I will set my throne on high; I will sit on the mount of assembly in the far reaches of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High."
This is clearly talking about Satan,and he is saying that Satan tried to ascend above God. And loyal and obedient angels don't do that
As we all know,Satan is not the lord.
Yes I agree, satan is not the L-rd. But the L-rd creates evil, not satan.
My argument stand, there is no way to see "satan" (the adversary) as rebellious in the Hebrew Bible.
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