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Asian are not smarter than other races.

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Started: 8/29/2009 Category: Education
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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DebateSpirit

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There are no indicator that say Asians are better or smarter than the other races, actually, most of our scientists came from the western world.
dan1

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I negate the resolution, Asian are not smarter than other races.

Contention A: Contrary to what many people think, genetics is the primary cause of many of the gaps we see between races. I know many people want the "feel good" answer that any differences are caused by society and environmental differences and will accuse anyone that doesn't think as they do as "racist" but I will have to say this is a complete disservice to science. Blacks are not better in sports simply because they work harder at it nor do Asians thrive in academics simply because they study harder. Genetics play a vital role. There are many scientific studies done on the issue of race and intelligence.

Contention B: A general consensus among scientists as published in the Wall Street Journal in 1994 titled "Mainstream Science on Intelligence" shows a consensus among scientists that average IQ are as followed in America. Blacks 85. Whites 100. East Asians 106. Further studies done and published in science journals show IQ to be overwhelmingly genetic. Minnesota Twins Study by Dr. Thomas Bouchard, the most famous twin study done, shows that identical twins separated at birth are significantly more similiar in IQ than fraternal twins raised together with a genetic correlation of .80.

Contention C: Cranial size studies show published in the science journal Intelligence 1997, 25, pg 15 shows the average cranial size as followed. Blacks 1,267 cm3. Whites 1347 cm3. East Asians 1364 cm3. The link between cranial size and intelligence are strongly established in several scientific studies published in journals. "Brain Size and Cognitive Ability" in the 1996 issue of the journal Psychonomic Bulletin and Review surveyed all the published research on this topic. It included studies that used the state-of-the-art technique known as Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) which gives a very good image of the human brain. There were eight of these studies with a total sample size of 381 adults. The overall correlation between IQ and brain size measured by MRI is 0.44.

Contention D: So why are Asians smarter? More specifically Northeast Asians? The scientific theories among scientists today hold the notion that the humans that left Africa 110,000 years ago into colder climates of Europe and Northern Asia required more thought and planning to obtain food than that of Africa. And that Northern Asia had more drastic temperatures than that of Europe. It's evolution at work.

Contention E: Asians also have these:
1.Straight A report card,
2.Strict parents,
3. Good at science and map
4. Very good SAT scores
5. They get into ivy league schools

Contention F: If you look at asiansarentnerdy profile, you will see that in the "about me" section in her profile she states, " I am the typical Asian who gets good grades and practices the violin all day.Yes, the so commonly stereotyped Asian who has super strict parents and straight A's." As you can see a typical Asian, gets straight A's, and practices a violin, which demands discipline to practice, which Asian people have. http://www.debate.org...

Contention G: Asians also make up 4% of the US's population, but tale up 20 in ivy league schools.

Contention H: They also go to school 6 days a week, they work harder than students.

Contention I: The Asians also have the highest graduation rate of all ethnic groups, they are 65%, and a far second is whites at 59. http://www.highbeam.com...

Contention J: Asians are also very good at video games, so they are better at that. They also rap, and break dance. Also, they have a very competitive nature, which separates them from other nations.

I have shown facts why Asians are smarter than other races,

Source(s):
Andreasen N. C., Flaum M., Swayze V. II, O'Leary D. S., Alliger R., Cohen G., Ehrhardt J. & Youh W. T. C. (1993). Intelligence and brain structure in normal individuals. American Journal of Psychiatry, 150, 130-134.

Jensen A. R. & Johnson F. W. (1994). Race and sex differences in head size and IQ. Intelligence, 18, 309-333.

Sarich V. M. (1995). "In defense of The Bell Curve: The reality of race and the importance of human differences". Skeptic, 3, 84-93.

Dudley, Richard M. "Sources of human psychological differences: The Minnesota Study of Twins Reared Apart": Comment. Science. Vol 252(5003) Apr 1991, 191. American Assn for the Advancement of Science, US

Journal Personality and Individual Differences, 2002, Vol. 32, pp.273-316. Professor Richard Lynn

I wish my opponent luck in the next round, and I look forward to a response. :)

Heavily negated.
Debate Round No. 1
DebateSpirit

Pro

Thank you for accepting this argument, now I'll rebut everything my opponent had stated:

"Contention A: Contrary to what many people think, genetics is the primary cause of many of the gaps we see between races. I know many people want the "feel good" answer that any differences are caused by society and environmental differences and will accuse anyone that doesn't think as they do as "racist" but I will have to say this is a complete disservice to science. Blacks are not better in sports simply because they work harder at it nor do Asians thrive in academics simply because they study harder. Genetics play a vital role. There are many scientific studies done on the issue of race and intelligence."
_ "Author and psychologist Richard Nisbett is countering the notion that I.Q. is determined by race, as suggested by Nobel Laureate James Watson or brain size. "What do we know about the effects of environment? That environment can markedly influence I.Q. is demonstrated by the so-called Flynn Effect," writes Nisbett in The New York Times. Nisbett also says "intervention at every age from infancy to college can reduce racial gaps in both I.Q. and academic achievement." ( http://www.diversityinc.com... ) To say we just can say maybe lots of Asians had been raised within a very effective and excellent enviroment, but it does not mean that Asians are smarter than other races.

"Contention B: A general consensus among scientists as published in the Wall Street Journal in 1994 titled "Mainstream Science on Intelligence" shows a consensus among scientists that average IQ are as followed in America. Blacks 85. Whites 100. East Asians 106. Further studies done and published in science journals show IQ to be overwhelmingly genetic. Minnesota Twins Study by Dr. Thomas Bouchard, the most famous twin study done, shows that identical twins separated at birth are significantly more similiar in IQ than fraternal twins raised together with a genetic correlation of .80."
_The IQ can be wrong and incorrect in certain intelligence aspect, IQ also depends on age, science had proved that a 4 years ol African American has more IQ than a 4 years old Caucasian kid.

Contention C: Cranial size studies show published in the science journal Intelligence 1997, 25, pg 15 shows the average cranial size as followed. Blacks 1,267 cm3. Whites 1347 cm3. East Asians 1364 cm3. The link between cranial size and intelligence are strongly established in several scientific studies published in journals. "Brain Size and Cognitive Ability" in the 1996 issue of the journal Psychonomic Bulletin and Review surveyed all the published research on this topic. It included studies that used the state-of-the-art technique known as Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) which gives a very good image of the human brain. There were eight of these studies with a total sample size of 381 adults. The overall correlation between IQ and brain size measured by MRI is 0.44."
_ Anthropology talking, every races have different skull, different cranial, like I said, it also need to base on age.

"Contention D: So why are Asians smarter? More specifically Northeast Asians? The scientific theories among scientists today hold the notion that the humans that left Africa 110,000 years ago into colder climates of Europe and Northern Asia required more thought and planning to obtain food than that of Africa. And that Northern Asia had more drastic temperatures than that of Europe. It's evolution at work."
_ Evolution theory among all still a theory, plus if you have scientific evidence, please give us some.

"Contention E: Asians also have these:
1.Straight A report card,
2.Strict parents,
3. Good at science and map
4. Very good SAT scores
5. They get into ivy league schools"
Last year, the first in my class was a Hispanic, why are Asians seem so achieving at academics? Because they have parents who raise them for success, they study because they need to survive, because most of them can't afford colledges, not because they have special power or bigger brain.

"Contention F: If you look at asiansarentnerdy profile, you will see that in the "about me" section in her profile she states, " I am the typical Asian who gets good grades and practices the violin all day.Yes, the so commonly stereotyped Asian who has super strict parents and straight A's." As you can see a typical Asian, gets straight A's, and practices a violin, which demands discipline to practice, which Asian people have. http://www.debate.org...; I'm afraid a debater profile is not a valid piece of evidence.

"Contention G: Asians also make up 4% of the US's population, but tale up 20 in ivy league schools." Yes, and so are whites, blacks, hispanic...

"Contention H: They also go to school 6 days a week, they work harder than students." Some countries, not all countries, espectially not in USA.

"Contention J: Asians are also very good at video games, so they are better at that. They also rap, and break dance. Also, they have a very competitive nature, which separates them from other nations." Contradictory, like you said Asians practice violin, do homework, kind of neardy. I can't see nerds break dancing and rapping.

Hope to see your argument soon.
dan1

Con

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Debate Round No. 2
DebateSpirit

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dan1

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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Puck 7 years ago
Puck
"Blacks 85. Whites 100. East Asians 106"

Statistics fail. :(

1. These are all within 1SD of the norm, so don't indicate meaningful difference.
2. An IQ isnt a score it is a range (measurement error).
3. Races are standardised on their own population data. Comparing say, Chinese, to American scores will show...absolutely nothing, as the norming data is seperate.
4. Data from 1994 is far too old when talking about IQ (population shifts).

Also grades isn't a measure per se of intelligence, the obvious confound is test ability and practice, which is most likely why Chinese score quite high. Their school system is generally geared towards standardised testing of which an IQ test is one of.
Posted by dan1 7 years ago
dan1
why
Posted by TheSkeptic 7 years ago
TheSkeptic
Bleh, I hate twin studies.
Posted by dan1 7 years ago
dan1
darn i 4got to make definitions
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Ragnar
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