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burningpuppies101
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fo-shizzle0855
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Assited Suicide

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/9/2008 Category: Society
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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burningpuppies101

Pro

Thanks to my opponent for the debate, and thanks to my voters for voting for the arguments, not the person.

This first round will be used to set the stage on which this debate will be held. It will have some ground rules, which I believe will help keep this debate fair and fun for all involved.

1. No arguments this round, just rules.

2. My opponent is welcome to suggest new rules for this debate, and if I like them, I'll add them.

3. No semantics in this debate. We all know what we are saying, no point on making a fuss over wording.

4. We both have to prove our side. The burden of proof is on both of us.

5. Questions and comments only this round.

So the resolution, as you may have gathered, is:
Assisted Suicide can be Morally Justified.

I turn the stage to my opponent.
fo-shizzle0855

Con

ok this sounds like it should be a fun debate.
i accept your rules and wish you the best of luck :)
-fo-shizzle0855
Debate Round No. 1
burningpuppies101

Pro

Thanks to my opponent for accepting this debate! I hope this will be both entertaining and educational to all involved.

So the resolution at stake is: Assisted Suicide can be Morally Justified.

This topic asks us the question; can assisted suicide be morally ok? I argue that yes, indeed it can. My opponent argues that no, it never will be morally justified. The reason my opponent has to argue the whole topic, meaning everything it encompasses, is due to the wording of the topic. I was very specific in wording this topic. So I only have to show at least some instance where assisted suicide is ok.

So, to arguments:
1. Assisted suicide involves the consent of the victim. If the victim has a very valid reason to ask for death, we should have every right to assist them in fulfilling their wish. Here is an example. Bill is sick. He is terminally ill. He will die in a month at the rate he is going, even with all science helping him. Bill is in constant pain and suffering, due to his disease. Bill wishes for it all to end, because he realizes that there is no other option; it is between a month of pain and suffering beyond belief and then dying, or dying now painlessly. He chooses to die now, by a means of his choice. He requests that his doctor give him an overdose in medicine, resulting in Bill's immediate death. The doctor sees Bill's argument, accepts it, and decides that he will help him. No where in this story has anyone done anything wrong, and in fact, the doctor does the right thing by respecting Bill's decision.

2. Assisted suicide is not killing. True, the victim loses his life. But it is not killing if the one who is taking the life is willing, and the victim is willing. If there is mutual consent, then the action cannot possibly be wrong. Example: Me and Bob are exchanging goods. I give him an apple, and he gives me an orange. There is mutual consent between us. No wrong act is being committed. Lets change the situation. I steal Bob's orange, and leave an apple for him. In this case, I was wrong to steal Bob's orange, since the orange is his property, he has the right to do with it what he so chooses.

3.(Patient's control of his/her own life) Continued from above: Now lets apply this example to the debate. In the doctor( you can substitute anyone you like) and patient example; The patient asks for the doctor to take the patients life. The patient has every right to do so. The patient's life is exactly that: the patient's life. No one elses. The patient has control over what he/she wants with his or her life, and that control extends to the lack of life, or death. The patient has every right to ask for death. So we have determined that the patient is moral in asking for death. Now, the doctor is a little more tricky. He is not the patient. He does not have a say over the patient's life. However, in the case of assisted suicide, I argue that the doctor actually isn't controlling the patient's life. The doctor is merely carrying out the patient's request. If the doctor were to refuse the patient, and order the patient to not ask anyone anymore, and force the patient to live through all means possible, then the act would be wrong.

Conclusion:
My opponent in advocating that assisted suicide can never be morally justified, must state that it is right for the doctor to refuse the patient's request and extend his own influence into the patient's life. My opponent must argue that the doctor is morally justified in controlling the patient's life, and is morally justified in forcing the patient to live, even when there is a good reason for the patient not to want life.

Also, I want to make a clarification that I fear might be apparent in my arguments. Just add this on to my speech wherever appropriate. The doctor has the right to refuse the patient's request, because the doctor still has the right to control his own life. However, the doctor does not have the right to stop the patient from asking anyone else, or force the patient to live.

Thank you. I await my opponent's response.
fo-shizzle0855

Con

fo-shizzle0855 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
burningpuppies101

Pro

Well, seeing as my opponent's account no longer exists, there really is little point in my debating with no one.

Extend everything.
fo-shizzle0855

Con

fo-shizzle0855 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
burningpuppies101

Pro

Well, seeing as my opponent's account no longer exists, there really is little point in my debating with no one.

Extend everything.
fo-shizzle0855

Con

fo-shizzle0855 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by King_Jas 8 years ago
King_Jas
oi, why was i losing? i sense a vote bomber....
Posted by fo-shizzle 8 years ago
fo-shizzle
hey this is my new profile. sorry about the file close down. SWEEET i won anyway!!! how is that so?? oh well i still won! yay
Posted by DiablosChaosBroker 8 years ago
DiablosChaosBroker
His account has been closed so it is an autowin.
Posted by DiablosChaosBroker 8 years ago
DiablosChaosBroker
burningpuppies101, you already won the debate.
Posted by mastajake 8 years ago
mastajake
dvhoose,

"So the resolution, as you may have gathered, is:
Assisted Suicide can be Morally Justified." - The Instigator

~Mastajake
Posted by dvhoose 8 years ago
dvhoose
Will you be arguing that assisted suicide should or should not exist?
Posted by mastajake 8 years ago
mastajake
I might take this up,

But your resolution states specifically that it "can be" which is indeed true, it can be given your definition on ethics.

So if you would like to (you don't have to) could you define ethics for me. Given your definition on ethics depends if I would take up this debate or not.

~mastajake
Posted by s0m31john 8 years ago
s0m31john
Assited?
Posted by burningpuppies101 8 years ago
burningpuppies101
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend anyone. But as long as you know what I mean, its fine.
Posted by Ragnar_Rahl 8 years ago
Ragnar_Rahl
"It doesn't matter."
From the standpoint of an etatist (not me), just so ya know, it would matter, considering how doctors are presumably more capable of doing it right :D.
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