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brontoraptor
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Drake_Phoenix
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Atheism is a cancer to the West

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Started: 7/26/2016 Category: Politics
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brontoraptor

Pro

Atheism is a cancer to Western society.
Drake_Phoenix

Con

Hello and good day. Before I can begin to dispute your claim, I must ask a question. Why do you think this? What is your reasoning? You say "Atheism is a cancer to the West", but you do not give any explanation as to why. Please elaborate.
Debate Round No. 1
brontoraptor

Pro

Ban Atheism:

As recently as 1990, the U.S. was 86% Christian. Today it is teetering on going into the 60's percentagewise because of the New Atheist Movement and militant atheism in the 2000's.

In 1990, we barely knew what terrorism was. Now? It's a new terror attack every week in the West. Why? Militant Atheists were so hellbent on opposing Christianity that they became tollerant of anything non-Christian, meaning? Islam.

Daily headlines prove that Europe is bursting at the seams with Islamists attempting to establish Sharia law and homegrown terror plots. France is swarming with radicals, ISIS threatens they will send Spain back to the times of the Ottoman Empire, and Britain is much too concerned with appeasing Muslims that they are doing away with their own citizens" free speech.

And...they wanted Christians to step out of their way and shut up while they pandered to Islam in the name of multiculturism and diversity. Well, it happened, and it caused Europe to freefall into mass chaos via an "immigration crisis". Forget common sense or Islamic theology, as long as Christianity is the one snubbed.

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So...As Christianity is in decline in the West, suicide is through the roof. Multitudes of people have and are killing themselves because they see no point, purpose, meaning, or hope via Atheism being indoctrinated into their minds, polluting their psychological health and well being.

Notice, Christianity went into a serious decline as militant atheism took root in the early 2000's.

Deaths from suicide have increased 24 percent from 1999 to 2014, according to an analysis of Americans aged 5 and up conducted by researchers at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

But why? In psychology we have a "hierarchy of needs". There are certain conditions that must be met for good mental health, things like purpose, meaning, etc. Atheism provides little, if anything, in this regard.

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Even Richard Dawkins, the king of Militant Atheism, who told Atheists to attack Christians' beliefs at every chance, can now see his irreligion's fatal flaw. Now Atheists, homosexuals, and Christians are being slaughtered like animals in the West by Islamic jihadists. As Christianity is about to disappear completely from the Middle East via genocide and the burning down of churches, Islam was welcomed with open arms from the more and more Atheistic West, and it's completely mindless.

Richard Dawkins begrudgingly admitted that Christianity is actually our best defense against aberrant forms of religion that threaten the world.

In a rare moment of candor, Dawkins reluctantly accepted that the teachings of Jesus Christ do not lead to a world of terror, whereas followers of radical Islam perpetrate the very atrocities that he laments.

Because of this realization, Dawkins wondered aloud whether Christianity might indeed offer an antidote to protect western civilization against jihad.

"I have mixed feelings about the decline of Christianity, in so far as Christianity might be a bulwark against something worse," he said.

But now it's too late. Christianity is going to vanish. And a Christian free West who is not allowed to even exist in the Middle East is becoming overrun with Muslims. Survival of the fittest? Guess who will be left standing.

Destroy Christianity= No Christians

Atheism= try to intermix with Islam.

Islam=don't let nonMuslims exist in our region and go on the offensive against nonMuslims in their region. And...outbreed the less than 2 children households of the West.

DC + A + I = Islam will own the Middle East and the West.

Thus, if Christianity is to survive, it must become militant against Atheism and rid itself of one plague to be allowed to resist the other plague.






Drake_Phoenix

Con

Thank you for your reply, I look forward to this debate.


As recently as 1990, the U.S. was 86% Christian. Today it is teetering on going into the 60's percentagewise because of the New Atheist Movement and militant atheism in the 2000's.


In 1990, we barely knew what terrorism was. Now? It's a new terror attack every week in the West. Why? Militant Atheists were so hellbent on opposing Christianity that they became tollerant of anything non-Christian, meaning? Islam.


Islam is a religion, just as Christianity is. It’s also a relative of Christianity. Both are Abrahamic religions. If these ‘Militant Atheists’ were exactly that, they wouldn’t pick and choose. Barely knew what terrorism was? Oh, we knew what it was. We just didn’t want to because it came from within. It still does. “Dawkins noted that Christianity, unlike Islam, does not make use of violent methods to fulfill its teachings. "There are no Christians, as far as I know, blowing up buildings. I am not aware of any Christian suicide bombers. I am not aware of any major Christian denomination that believes the penalty for apostasy is death," he said.” Ever heard of the Crusades? Of the Holocaust? Or - more recently - The Army of God? The Westboro Baptist Church?


Daily headlines prove that Europe is bursting at the seams with Islamists attempting to establish Sharia law and homegrown terror plots. France is swarming with radicals, ISIS threatens they will send Spain back to the times of the Ottoman Empire, and Britain is much too concerned with appeasing Muslims that they are doing away with their own citizens" free speech.


And...they wanted Christians to step out of their way and shut up while they pandered to Islam in the name of multiculturism and diversity. Well, it happened, and it caused Europe to freefall into mass chaos via an "immigration crisis". Forget common sense or Islamic theology, as long as Christianity is the one snubbed.


Mind providing some of these headlines, please? You need to understand what Sharia is first, and what Islam is. You also need to know what Sharia and Islam are NOT. ISIS does not represent Islam any more than the KKK represents Christianity.


So...As Christianity is in decline in the West, suicide is through the roof. Multitudes of people have and are killing themselves because they see no point, purpose, meaning, or hope via Atheism being indoctrinated into their minds, polluting their psychological health and well being.


Notice, Christianity went into a serious decline as militant atheism took root in the early 2000's.


Deaths from suicide have increased 24 percent from 1999 to 2014, according to an analysis of Americans aged 5 and up conducted by researchers at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.


But why? In psychology we have a "hierarchy of needs". There are certain conditions that must be met for good mental health, things like purpose, meaning, etc. Atheism provides little, if anything, in this regard.


Your first and second articles on suicide - while informative - do not support your claim that the decline of Christianity has lent itself to increased suicide rates. “Yet another factor could have been the economic downturn in the late 2000s, Holland said.” The two articles mentioned this reason.


“Another theory when it comes to teens: the rise in social media use may contribute to poorer mental health. Social networks are often unmonitored, leaving kids more vulnerable. At one time, children and teens developed their relationships in schools and neighborhoods and adults could supervise, Oquendo said.”


You say that people have no purpose without Christianity and that Atheism provides little meaning. That is a matter of opinion, not fact. People can and have lived fulfilled lives without Christianity.


“Multitudes of people have and are killing themselves because they see no point, purpose, meaning, or hope via Atheism being indoctrinated into their minds, polluting their psychological health and well being.”


Do you have proof of this? Your statement seems to be a matter of opinion more than anything.


Even Richard Dawkins, the king of Militant Atheism, who told Atheists to attack Christians' beliefs at every chance, can now see his irreligion's fatal flaw. Now Atheists, homosexuals, and Christians are being slaughtered like animals in the West by Islamic jihadists. As Christianity is about to disappear completely from the Middle East via genocide and the burning down of churches, Islam was welcomed with open arms from the more and more Atheistic West, and it's completely mindless.


Richard Dawkins begrudgingly admitted that Christianity is actually our best defense against aberrant forms of religion that threaten the world.


In a rare moment of candor, Dawkins reluctantly accepted that the teachings of Jesus Christ do not lead to a world of terror, whereas followers of radical Islam perpetrate the very atrocities that he laments.


Because of this realization, Dawkins wondered aloud whether Christianity might indeed offer an antidote to protect western civilization against jihad.


"I have mixed feelings about the decline of Christianity, in so far as Christianity might be a bulwark against something worse," he said.


“Followers of radical Islam” are not representatives of Islam itself. They have taken a religion and warped it to fit their needs and desires.


But now it's too late. Christianity is going to vanish. And a Christian free West who is not allowed to even exist in the Middle East is becoming overrun with Muslims. Survival of the fittest? Guess who will be left standing.


Destroy Christianity= No Christians


Atheism= try to intermix with Islam.


Islam=don't let nonMuslims exist in our region and go on the offensive against nonMuslims in their region. And...outbreed the less than 2 children households of the West.

DC + A + I = Islam will own the Middle East and the West.


This statement is entirely false. While Islam considers itself to be the ‘successor’ of Judaism and Christianity, it does not condone the forcing of conversion to Islam. If anything, it condemns it.

Thus, if Christianity is to survive, it must become militant against Atheism and rid itself of one plague to be allowed to resist the other plague.


The concept that Islam and Atheism are ‘plagues’ is, again, a matter of opinion, not fact.


I look forward to your reply.


Citations:


http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com...


http://www.moroccoworldnews.com...


http://www.alternet.org...


https://www.washingtonpost.com...


http://www.religionfacts.com...

Debate Round No. 2
brontoraptor

Pro

Enough is enough. It's time to stop the insanity and chaos and ban Atheism.


Con:


"Ever heard of the Crusades?"


Events from 1,000 years ago are meaningless in 2016. And guess who was being fought in 1045 AD. Islam.




"Of the Holocaust?"


This is a false dichotomy by ommission. Was Hitler raised in the Christian church? Sure, but so was Richard Dawkins. By the end Hitler had completely thrown Christianity under the bus, magnified Islam, and glorified Darwinism. He conspired with the Islamic Grand Mufti during WWII.


HITLER QUOTES-


"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death. A slow death has something comforting about it. The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science."


"Then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world. Christianity alone prevented them from doing so."


"The Army of God"


It's a false dichotomy by ommission and deception. They are:


1)A terrorist organization and not your typical believer out and amongst the average people.


2)Dull in comparison to Islamic terrorist organizations. It's like comparing a creek to the ocean.


"Westboro Baptists"


They are loons, but haven't killed anyone. Christianity has unanimously condemned their actions.




The difference? The ideological construct of Jesus' teaching vs Muhammed's teaching is completely opposite.


Here's a link comparing Jesus vs Muhammed.




Besides, Atheism is responsible for more death in the last 100 years than all religions combined, proof of the mindlesness of its supposed anti-dogma.




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Con:
"Followers of radical Islam” are not representatives of Islam itself."


QUOTE-


"Although the word Jihad standing by itself means “struggle,” what Westerners need to focus on when reading the Hadith regarding Mohammed’s Jihad is similar to the focus needed when reading Mein Kampf (My Struggle) by Adolph Hitler."
Walid Shoebat, ex-Muslim




QUOTE-


"I wanted secular, non-Muslim people to stop kidding themselves that "Islam is peace and tolerance."
Ayaan Hirsi Ali, ex-Muslim




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Sweden, the most Atheist nation in Europe, opened its arms wide to Islamic migrants. Now it is "The Rape Capital of the world, and Swedish women are now dying their hair black and actually wearing hijabs to disguise themselves.






-"During the 2016 New Year's Eve celebrations, hundreds of sexual assaults, groping, rapes, and numerous thefts were reported all over Germany in one night."


"All of the incidents involved women being surrounded and assaulted by groups of men on the street. There are more than 1,900 victims – 1,200 of whom were sexually assaulted – and police stated that at least 2,000 men were involved, acting in groups.Police reported that the perpetrators were men of "Arab or North African appearance" and said that Germany had never experienced such mass sexual assaults before."


https://en.m.wikipedia.org...'s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany


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Sharia Law-
Sharia Law is creeping into the West. Amendments have been made to accomodate Islam rather than the seperation of church and state, and Muslim Sharia Patrols are becoming a nuisance. Sharia patrols are groups of Muslims who enforce Sharia in Islamic zones. Wearing shorts, alcohol, & pork, will bring on their wrath.




This is the mindlesness of the Atheist. Christian nations coexist with Atheism, yet Atheism attacks it militantly. On the other hand, Atheism earns the death penalty in Islam, and yet strangely, Atheists pander to it, defending it like it is a special needs child, despite it dealing death penalties to the LGBT communities and deeming women as 1/2 in court, not being able to go out uncovered, not being able to drive, and not being able to work without a husband's written approval. This is cutting off your nose to spite your face.


Essentially Atheists can be summed up this way. They have turned against a group that makes for a good and powerful ally and welcomed a group hellbent on their destruction and death per the Quran and Sharia. Thus, Atheism must be eradicated to allow our nation to defend itself from the irrational logic of Atheists hellbent on handing over our nation to Islam and Sharia Law.
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https://wikiislam.net...

Seeing Atheism has forsaken reason and common sense, we must ban it in order to defend our nation and bring our nation back to stability.
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Posted by Drake_Phoenix 1 year ago
Drake_Phoenix
Thanks though.
Posted by Drake_Phoenix 1 year ago
Drake_Phoenix
HA! You're right on the money with that one. Yeah, it was a breakup. But I'd rather not point fingers. That just makes things worse.
Posted by brontoraptor 1 year ago
brontoraptor
What was her name
Posted by Drake_Phoenix 1 year ago
Drake_Phoenix
My apologies. Life suddenly gave me a really hard time.
Posted by LogicalPerson 1 year ago
LogicalPerson
For bron, this is a debating website, if you can't take it, please exit and cry somewhere else.
Posted by Drake_Phoenix 1 year ago
Drake_Phoenix
I think your real problem isn't with Atheists, it's with Islam.
Posted by brontoraptor 1 year ago
brontoraptor
Calm down logical. It's a debate. No one wants to put you in a cage and feed you bananas. You're safe...for now. Until ISIS infiltrates the U.S. Capital. But then we're both screwed. Allahu Akbar.
Posted by LogicalPerson 1 year ago
LogicalPerson
I would like to stand on the con side.

My opponent believes Atheists plan to eradicate Christianity, whilst supporting Islam. My opponent also believes that without Christianity, and the support of Islam by Atheists only pushes attacks that Islamic extremists cause.
May I remind you, Atheism is the lack of a belief in a god meaning there is no reason to support Islam as it is a belief. I, as an Atheist, do not go about my day planning to ruin Christianity but simply to live out my life as any other person would. Now to say that Atheists plan to take out ONLY Christianity is ridiculous on many levels. To address your issue that suicide rates have risen solely because of Atheism, during the Great Depression, many people lost their jobs and went bankrupt. Because of this, depression grew hence "The Great Depression." Now, with your facts established that Christianity dropped in the 1990s and later on more, that means that during the Great Depression during the Great Crash in 1929 , religion was still held in place strongly. At this same time suicide rates went up from 12.1% to 18.1%. The cause was not a lack in faith but due to outside stresses such as economical changes. Going back to now, the economy is not so great which is one factor for suicide rates going higher and higher. Another factor has to be not being accepted, which religion does a good job at making people not feel accepted just as gays.

As for your argument, you're immature. Starting out with "Atheism is a cancer to the West" shows your inability to conduct a righteous argument. Have a good day living ignorant.

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Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
they kill each other if they dont follow the koran
Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
gods word is truth, not what they sense or think
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