Atheism is a lie
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I have yet to recieve a satisfactory rebuttle to this argument. Hopefully, this time around , my opponent will not use critical fallacies one after another in place of his argument. If you do not know what a "fallacy" is, please do not accept this debate.
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I present 3 constructs, in which i argue each is a logical truth on its own.. As well as my final conclusion being deduced from the combination of all three constructs. You can attempt to refute any part of my construct, definitions or logic. Just please do so logically.
My resolution is "Atheism is a lie."
Below is my logical argument supporting my resolution.
Belief...assumption of truth with or without evidence
Disbelief assumption of falsehood due to a lack or contradictory evidence.
Faith. An assertive Belief without valid evidence.
Knowing. An assertive belief with valid evidence.
Premise1 : no one can know if God exists of not.
Premise2: to claim to know is to have valid evidence
Conclusion: whoever claims to know if God exists or not, is a liar.
Premise 1: Believers claim they have faith God exists.
Premise 2: to have faith is a belief without valid evidence (see defintions)
Conclusion: Believers do not claim to "know" if God exists.
Premise 1: Atheists claim they disbelieve God exists.
Premise 2: disbelief or rejection of a claim is based on a lack of valid evidence and an abundance of contradictory evidence. (See definitions)
Conclusion: Atheists claim to "know" if God exists.
Final Conclusion.: Atheism is a lie by definition and logic.
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In your argument you state that "believers claim to "know" if God exists" which just isn't true. Athiests can disbelief in God or have a lack of belief in God (by definition) so if your conclusion is that "Atheism is a lie by definition and logic" You are wrong.
A lack of beilief is not the same as disbelief. Game over.
You said: "Atheism is a lie by definition and logic."
The definition of Atheism is: "disbelief or LACK OF BELIEF in the existence of God or gods."-g
Your conclusion of Construct three states: Atheists claim to "know" if God exists.
Atheism is not "belief there is no God" but merely "no belief in a God." Atheism is defined in this context as a "lack of belief" in God.
Belief definition: an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof
You stated that Atheists claim to "know" if god exists, which isn't true. We instead have a lack of acceptance that 'God' exists.
I have no idea where you got the idea that Atheists claim to know if "God" exists or not.
Which means all of your constructs are flawed but your first one lmao.
No belief in God (lack of belief) vs. a belief in no God (a disbelief).
Superficially, and sometimes , this distinction is necessary. Because there exists people who truly do lack a belief, but do not necessarily reject all god claims. This person, in popular terms, is often referred to as an agnostic. Someone who is uncertain, yet does believe in SOME sort of higher power.
Perhaps Con wishes to calm himself agnostic. Alas, an atheist believes in NO higher power. Zero. An atheist rejects any supernatural assumption or belief. It is the belief in no God.
If there is a single atheist who truly accepts the possibility of God, then atheism would not exist. It would be a futile state of mind because no single atheist can honestly say that they reviewed all god claims past and present, without missing a single one. Even if the atheist were to reject all possible god claims of past and present, as all he does is study religion 24/7/365...he still would need to continuously believe in the possibility of a higher power existing in the past and present, for which he has not reviewed. He would be like an agnostic. Still searching for the "answer".
But atheism, as we all know is not a state of mind that allows for "searchng for God." Its actually a state of mind that rejects and refuses any notion with the remote possibility of a god or God. Atheism doesnt reject fantasy for some odd reason, but it does reject anything pertaining to God. Many atheists believe in aliens, but not God.
Further. Atheism by definition a belief ABOUT GoD. It can not be a lack of belief about God while also being a term that defines WHAT ppl think about God. If anything, atheism defines ppl who simply do not think about God, despite God being defined as the undefined creator of all things. The atheist does not care. And because he has rejected the notion already.
Thus atheism is only a lack of belief in God BECAUSE it has already rejected the notion.
Agnosticism is a lack of belief in God, because it has not yet seen convincing enough evidence to be CERTAIN. An agnostic already accepts the possibility of God, and therefore believes God exists in some unifentified form. The atheist denies any possibility, including the denial of any kind of God of any possible form. If one does not do so..he is no longer an atheist, because he has accepted a form of God Can and does exist, only he has not yet discovered it. And the atheist becomes agnostic, as he continues to validate each god claim.
However. New atheism takes on the coat of agnosticism while adamantly preaching their rejection of God on public forums. In place of God, ALL atheists set forth science to explain their existence.
Alas science has not yet discovered God and cannot be an alternative to the God hypothesis. So the atheist is still left with the possibility of God, yet will not accept it as true in any way or form.
The reason for this , i do not assume to know. However , logic dictates, that until we discover the beginning or time and matter, one is unable to reject God claims. And the only logical option is agnosticism or religion.
An agnostic is one who believes it impossible to know anything about God or about the creation of the universe and refrains from commitment to any religious doctrine.
That is completely different to anything we're talking about. I literally have no idea why you bought that up lmao
Using your logic, theism is a lie. You're simply wrong. You made one point which was false in round three.
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