Atheism is a religion
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And one question we ought to ask ourself is wheter a belief in something makes you religious. I believe that Scarlett Johansson is the most beautiful woman alive, is this now a religion. Or let's say that some people believe in UFOs, does this mean their gods are now UFOs?
First of all there are non-religious people who does believe in a god. What makes them non-religious is simply because they don't belong to an organized religion and they don't follow a written down set of beliefs. A religion is an organization with a belief system in a god/gods with a large following of people.
Atheism rejects the possible existence of god, which is not a belief in and of itself, it's a disbelief of other religious people's beliefs.
However there is no doubt that there are a lot atheists that worship other things such as the government, the global warmist agenda, political leaders etc. But that does not make them religious.
"And one question we ought to ask ourself is wheter a belief in something makes you religious. I believe that Scarlett Johansson is the most beautiful woman alive, is this now a religion. Or let's say that some people believe in UFOs, does this mean their gods are now UFOs. " Yes, as just mentioned, religion is synonmous with belief. Practicing something regularly is meaning to do it religiously, faithfully ,etc. Anything a person believes in or believes in doing and or practicing is their religion. Doesnt matter if they are the only person on the planet that practices the belief . Regardless of anyone else, it only takes one. If I'm the only one who believes in whatever I'm doing, my belief doesnt change or gets dictated to, subject to by any means of another. That's because I still believe it. Remember, a god entity is not always involved in a religion. The god entity is not always supernatural and not always a animate thing. These words have more than one definition. A god can be money, gold, cars, wherewithal and so forth. In the context of religion it's whatever the object of the belief is. Like the cult that's called the LaVeyan Satanists, a group of ATHEISTS that truly believes in themselves as their own demigods. If it feels good, not hurting anybody else , not infringing on anyone else's rights, do it. The hedonism philosophy can be well ingrained into the religion of the satanists.
"First of all there are non-religious people who does believe in a god. What makes them non-religious is simply because they don't belong to an organized religion and they don't follow a written down set of beliefs. A religion is an organization with a belief system in a god/gods with a large following of people." Totally nitpicked and based off of one definition of the word. Again, a religion is a belief system, a faith, practice of faith in a church, denomination, group, whatever. The object is not necessarily a belief in god of some sort. It's the fact that one believes in anything. Yes that it is correct and all of the above applies and what is considered a religion is atheism. In numerous places, atheism is found as a subcategory in the category of religion.
"Atheism rejects the possible existence of god, which is not a belief in and of itself, it's a disbelief of other religious people's beliefs.
However there is no doubt that there are a lot atheists that worship other things such as the government, the global warmist agenda, political leaders etc. But that does not make them religious." That's a good job of crafting your own definition of the word. Atheism rejects and how does atheism reject the possible existence of God? What does that mean to reject it? As the definition is researched more, the basic definition means to not have a belief in God/gods. Atheism meaning to be without theism. Which is disbelieving in God or believing in the non-existence of God. The object of the position is not important to the verb as much as is to the subject meaning no God/gods. That's how atheism is considered a religion. The position of atheism is a not a neutral position and it takes a position that does not hold absolute , logical, physical, empirical evidence for it's stance. You would have to add what? You would to add and make that leap of FAITH in order to take a stand in believing in the non-existence of God/gods. Factually , there is not enough to go on to make the atheist's belief true which is why it's just a belief. The atheist practice these beliefs, regularly, devoutly and religiously. They hold themselves as supreme, as idols, as images of the highest(demigod, mortal deity, god). So atheists would like to hold themselves as influential, powerful, authoritative and masters of their own fate. Not having to answer to a judge or hierarchy. Maybe not all, but a lot however will attest to this kind of thinking. The definition of religion in this one argument alone has been exhausted and repeated countless times. To go on debating about the word is futile. Every statement made about it is partially defined by the one making the statement.
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My opponent has made some interesting arguments on how to define what religion is and who a religious person are. So far i haven't seen any sources from the instigator that backups his claims, sadly. The question turns more into: "do you think that Atheism should be considered a religion?". Because whether you like it or not Atheism is not considered a religion anywhere. The freedom of religion that exists in North America and some parts of western Europe does not apply to Atheism. Atheists has a right NOT to practice a religion, and that's exactly what they do, they don't practice a religion because they don't belong to one.
And if we are going to define every single belief in something as a religion, then the word religion becomes useless. Because what you're saying is that religion basically has the exact same definition as the word belief itself. So in your world the words belief and religion means exactly the same thing. Religion has always been related to a large following of religious people with a certain faith of a certain god. Religion, faith and god are connected, and seperating them completely ruins the historical meaning of religion. There is a reason why we call christians, such as myself, religious. Just like there is a reason we don't call atheists religious.
And i would argue over your statement that Atheism takes faith. Atheists believes what they see with their own eyes, that does not require faith. It takes faith to believe something in the unknowing. Faith is an act of courage and humility. Sure, atheists may believe in the big bang theory, but they do not believe in the existence of god. And not believing in the existence of god does not take faith, because no single human being on earth have seen god with their own eyes. And faith is about taking a "leap of faith", it's about dedicating yourself to an idea that is not proveable.
And the argument whether Atheists are believers or non-believers could be turned around how much we want. I personally define an Atheist someone who doesn't believe in a god, instead of your definition which seems to be "belief in no god". The Oxford dictionary is on my side, but many dictionaries has two definitions and it is those we are arguing over. Let's look what history says. The word Atheist derived from the greek word "atheos" which translated to "godless". The word godless translates to:
The Oxford Dictionary: "Not believing in God".
Dictionary.com: "Having or acknowledging no god or deity; atheistic.".
Merriam-webster: "Not believing in God".
So the three biggest dictionaries online is saying exactly what i have been saying all along. But i personally find this as irrelevant. Because religion has never been about beliefs it has always been about faith. And the word belief and faith are two very different things. They are similar, yes. But faith is more deeper. Faith is when you devote yourself "spiritually" to a person, a thing or and idea. A simple belief can be a belief in anything, it can be a belief in something that doesn't even affect me. I believe that Microsoft is better than Apple for example. This belief has no effect on my life whatsoever. Faith is about putting your trust and soul into someone or something. Faith is something that effects your life and the way you see the world as it is. As i said before faith is about courage and humility. And faith has always been related to god and to religion, while beliefs hasn't.
Thank you for the debate.
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