The Instigator
RationalMadman
Pro (for)
Winning
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The Contender
Pheidippies
Con (against)
Losing
4 Points

Atheism is as illogical as theism in regards to the origin of everything

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RationalMadman
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/21/2012 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Debate Rounds (5)
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RationalMadman

Pro

Atheism believes everything came from nothing.

Theism believes everything came from god, and that god came from nothing.

Atheism defies theism by saying it is foolish to believe in god because nothing created god but then it is equally foolish to believe in atheism because it says nothing created the universe.
Pheidippies

Con

What came first the chicken or the egg? Nothing is god. God is nothing. It"s how you define the terms or vocabulary.
Debate Round No. 1
RationalMadman

Pro

Exactly so if god is nothing and nothing is god then this affirms the resolution that "Atheism is as illogical as theism in regards to the origin of everything"
Pheidippies

Con

They are not illogical. X goes to Y and Y goes X. Is mathematics loop illogical? Side A: The other side of the paper is correct. Side B: The other side of paper is incorrect.
Debate Round No. 2
RationalMadman

Pro

Regardless of them being logical, they are EQUALLY ILLOGICAL (TO EACH OTHER!)
Pheidippies

Con

They cannot possibly be both equally illogical because if one theory p and other not-p, even if neither can prove one or the other proposition to satisfaction of the other theory, one or the other proposition is true. Truth must be distinguished being warranted affirms.
Debate Round No. 3
RationalMadman

Pro

YES BUT THEY ARE BOTH AS BAD AS EACH OTHER at distinguishing the truth!
Pheidippies

Con

What is the truth? Do you know the truth?
Debate Round No. 4
RationalMadman

Pro

Up until this round all my opponent has done is to outline the following:

1) Nothing is god, god is nothing
2) X goes to Y and Y goes X.
3) Side A: The other side of the paper is correct. Side B: The other side of paper is incorrect

All three are in favour of my resolution.

Atheism and theism have been successfully proven to be illogical to an equal extent and if my opponent chooses to meet his BOP in round 5, do nto consider it because it is unfair if I cannot rebuttal.
Pheidippies

Con

Members of the voting jury, my opponent has established the following case.

1)Has agree with all three of points that I have presented
2)Has not shown how Atheism and Theism are illogical just stated they are equally illogical to each other (twice)

Atheism and theism have not been proven to be illogical. I leave you with the definition of illogical. Illogical is (adjective) not logical; contrary to or disregardful of rules of logic; unreasoning.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by pioneer_colonel 4 years ago
pioneer_colonel
"Atheism believes everything came from nothing."
I'm an atheist and that's not what webelieve in. What we say is that there is no evidence for the existence of a creator and that we are able to offer theories that better describe the origin of the universe than simply assuming a God ( Whose self sufficient and not created).
fix your argument and I will accept the debate.
Posted by frozen_eclipse 4 years ago
frozen_eclipse
I actually agree with pro
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Vote Placed by PhantomJedi759 4 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: For starters, I would argue that Theism is more logical than Atheism, but that is beside the point. Con pretty much conceded to Pro's arguments, regardless of how poorly written they were.
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Reasons for voting decision: none of Con's arguments made sense. Congratulations to both participants on such a nice, short debate though.
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Reasons for voting decision: Con never refuted Pro's claim. By the end of the debate, with Con's help, I thought Pro had met his burden of proof.
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Reasons for voting decision: Perhaps it's just me, but Con's arguments seemed to be missing the point. Pro presented various points, none of which I believe were sufficiently addressed by Con.
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Reasons for voting decision: If two things are both logical then there are equally illogical.
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Reasons for voting decision: Cons argument was confusing and I did not understand where he was going with his math points. Resources to con because of his definition. Pro had a spelling error.