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biophil
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revleader5
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Atheism is more appropriate than agnosticism

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Started: 5/27/2008 Category: Religion
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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biophil

Pro

Agnosticism comes from greek gnosis meaning knowledge and 'a' meaning no therefore meaning no knowledge. Now given that we have a possiblity to know about the world but that all our knowledge is fallible, that means that we can only have degrees of belief in our believes. We believe highly in good theories about the world and have low degrees of belief in bad theories. Although all statements that we now believe are wrong could in the future turn out to be true, we have a low degree in belief in them. Newton's theory has been superseded by Einstein's therefore we have a low degree of belief in this theory. A low degree of belief (or prior probability to use a term from bayesian epistemology) means that we have a high degree of belief in its falsity. The belief in God is a very bad theory. Therefore we are justified in having a low degree of belief in it. Therefore we can assume that God does not exist. Therefore atheism is a better hypothesis than agnosticism, that claims that we have no way of knowing about God (or that our prior probability of God's existence is 0.5.
revleader5

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Religion and God is in no way scientific. People who make it scientific are people who doubt their religion or are Atheists. Also some Agnostics merelydon't believe in a formal setting of worship, not what you said.
Debate Round No. 1
biophil

Pro

"Religion and God is in no way scientific." I did not claim that Religion is scientific. I claimed that the existence of God is a hypothesis. That I am sitting in front of my laptop is also a hypothesis (which I highly believe in) It has nothing to do with science, but about beliefs and knowledge. My argument is intended at agnostics not at religious people. I think that Stephen Colbert is right saying "Agnostics are atheists without balls"... they are too afraid to follow the their argument to the end. Which is atheism is a epistemically superior to agnosticism.
revleader5

Con

So you've read I am America(And So Can You!). Well "let me hit you with some knowledge"(White Goodman, Dodgeball), he also said that new ideas are bad and that Catholics are the only right religion.

Athiesm has probably been around since when? I mean a collective form, not some random guy sitting in his little hut is 1000BC wondering when Jesus is going to get here.

Also, can you practivce absitnence? How can you practice something that you don't do, right?
Debate Round No. 2
biophil

Pro

"Athiesm has probably been around since when? I mean a collective form, not some random guy sitting in his little hut is 1000BC wondering when Jesus is going to get here."

First, I never talked about atheism as a 'collective form' but as an hypothesis. Second, why is this what you are saying an argument.

"Also, can you practivce absitnence? How can you practice something that you don't do, right?"
What does practicing something has to do with it? And again, agnostics and atheists both don't practice a religion (if they don't have to)
please try to give counterarguments to my arguments or at least tell me which of my (imlicit) premises are wrong.
revleader5

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You can't practice believing that you think something which doesn't exist was my generaL point with abstinence.(You can't practice a negative.)

So basically by your thinking, something not existing is a better hyptohesis than something actually existing(God). This would conclude that we don't exist is a better idea than we do.(That is my guess.) You say that you believe the hypothesis that you are actually sitting in front of your laptop. This would conclude that you exist. This would also conclude that while you think us not existing is a good hyptohesis, you also think that you do exist. Therefore you are possibly god. Therefore God exists and he is you.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by JBeukema 8 years ago
JBeukema
agnosticism V atheism is a false dichotomy

Who can say 'agnostic atheism'?
Posted by Protagoras 9 years ago
Protagoras
.hmm, I will take your remark as it was intended, as a joke.

Do you dare contest!?

:)
Posted by snicker_911 9 years ago
snicker_911
Protagoras, you hoped wrong. :)
Posted by Protagoras 9 years ago
Protagoras
Snicker, I hope you weren't referring to me.

Biophil, thank you for mentioning the fact that I was one of the FIRST advocates of agnosticism.
:)
Posted by snicker_911 9 years ago
snicker_911
haha, guess what? they both suck! happy?
Posted by biophil 9 years ago
biophil
As a matter of fact agnosticism was already advocated by Protagoras in the 5th century B.C. see http://en.wikipedia.org...
Posted by AdamCW12 9 years ago
AdamCW12
Man Voltaire is the one who coing Agnostic anyways
Posted by revleader5 9 years ago
revleader5
I tried to make round 3 a confusing collage of odd existence questioning.
Posted by revleader5 9 years ago
revleader5
DucoNihilum, come on man. You should know that I only refer to it as the White Frog on the Log with Half an Onion Bagel.
Posted by DucoNihilum 9 years ago
DucoNihilum
At least I won't be molesting children.
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