Atheism is the default position
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Atheism is the lack of a belief in a god. The moment we are born, we have no beliefs at all. All babies are born Atheists.
I will argue that the default position is apatheism, not atheism.
1) Atheism can't be considered the default position
belief - confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof
A newborn cannot be considered an atheist. Even with your definition, atheism remains a choice. A newborn is unable to hold a belief. An atheist could be considered a person who lacks belief in God, but that person must be able to hold a belief in the first place. If a person is unable to hold any belief at all, you cannot label them based on what beliefs they lack, so a newborn cannot be considered and atheist because he is unable to hold any belief.
You cannot hold a belief with no information. A child can't believe in Santa Claus before knowing who he is. Beliefs can't exist without any information. Furthermore, because belief means confidence, believing without any proof, you also need motivation. Any religious person has a motivation to trust the teaching of his religion.
Sure, newborns don't have any beliefs, but that's because they have no information and no motivation. Belief needs to be understood, you can't demand belief from a baby that isn't developed enough to perceive reality.
The reason why newborns lack any belief is because they cannot hold any beliefs. They are not developed enough to have a belief, so you cannot label them as atheists just because they lack a believe that is impossible to hold. They don't just lack any belief, they cannot hold any belief, which means you cannot label them based on any beliefs they lack.
Newborns also lack emotions, morals, social behavior and fear, so you should also consider every newborn immoral, apathetic and even a psychopath. So why don't we treat all newborns as psychopaths? Why don't we treat them like any other immoral person? Because you can't demand moral values or emotions from newborns, just like you cannot demand belief from them.
2) Apatheism is the default position
apatheism - apathy, disregard, or lack of interest towards belief or disbelief in a deity
Also, a common argument for apatheism is lack of motivation.
Just like I said, a belief demands information and motivation. Before being able to hold a belief, you must be able to receive information and feel motivation.
You said atheism is the default position because newborns lack belief. We are debating the default position, the very first position you have the minute you are born. And that position is properly described by apatheism. A newborn lacks beliefs, but more importantly, he lacks the "components" of belief, he lacks information, he lacks motivation. So, a person can only be an atheist after he can receive information and can feel motivation. Until that point, he is an apatheist.
Newborns have no motivation, nor do they have any interest in beliefs, so their position is apatheism.
Apatheism is also known as pragmatic atheism or (critically) as practical atheism.
So, really it's just another form of Atheism, which confirms that Atheism is the default position.
My opponent says. "a belief demands information and motivation"
So? Atheism isn't a belief. It's a lack of a belief, as agreed upon in the first round.
By proving Apatheism as the default position, my opponent actually proved atheism as the default position,
because Apatheism is just another form of Atheism.
They both lack the belief in a god, which is what atheism is!
This is sort of like comparing Christians to Baptists. All Baptists are Christians, but not all Christians are Baptists.
Not all Atheists are Apatheism but all Apatheisms are Atheist.
Thanks for the debate.
"The term "Apatheism" is a portmanteau 1 -- a combination of two words. They may be considered a fusing of:
"Apathy" and "Theism" or
"Apathy and "Atheism." "
An apatheist can be an atheist, but also a theist. Apatheism doesn't mean lack of belief, so an apatheist can also be a theist.
-you can believe god exists, but don't care if he does exist in reality(apatheist and theist)
-you can believe god doesn't exist, but don't care if he does exist in reality(apatheist and atheist)
-you can believe god exists and care if he does exist in reality(theism)
-you can believe god doesn't exist and care if he does exist in reality(atheism)
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