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TheDizziestLemon
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J.Kenyon
Con (against)
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27 Points

Atheism should continue to be considered a religion

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J.Kenyon
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/11/2010 Category: Religion
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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TheDizziestLemon

Pro

At the moment, Atheism is considered to be a religion. When you fill out your information on applications, or you take your census Atheism is considered to be a religion.

Religion being defined as: Something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience.

Many people believe that Atheism shouldn't be considered a religion because it follows no deity.

I think that Atheism should continue to be considered a religion.
J.Kenyon

Con

Pro claims that atheism is currently considered a religion based on the fact that when you fill out information on certain applications, or census forms, atheism is listed under religions. However, this is not a valid argument. On many forms "no religion" is listed as an option. Moreover, "no religion" by definition entails atheism. If we accept Pro's argument, this essentially means that it is impossible *not* to have a religion, which is absurd.

Pro defines religion as "something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience." She has not provided a source for this, moreover, this opens to door to potentially defining *anything* as a religion. For example, I believe, as a matter of ethics, that eating babies and torturing innoccent people for fun is wrong. Not only this, but I adhere to this belief devotedly. According to Pro, this belief is religious. Devotion to a political party could be considered a religion; Pro's definition is imprecise, innaccurate, and essentially useless.

The Peguin Dictionary of Religion defines religion as "a general term used...to designate all concepts concerning the belief in god(s) and goddess(es) as well as other spiritual beings or transcendental ultimate concerns."[1] This definition is clearly preferable as it is more precise and more accurate: it includes naturalistic worldviews that we would intuitively call religions, like Taoism, Shintoism, pantheism, certain sects of Buddhism, etc. while excluding beliefs that are clearly not religious, such as Confucianism.

The resolution is negated.

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1. http://www.religionfacts.com...
Debate Round No. 1
TheDizziestLemon

Pro

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J.Kenyon

Con

Unfortunate.

Extend my arguments.
Debate Round No. 2
TheDizziestLemon

Pro

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J.Kenyon

Con

Extend my arguments.
Debate Round No. 3
TheDizziestLemon

Pro

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J.Kenyon

Con

Extend my arguments.

Vote Con!
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by J.Kenyon 6 years ago
J.Kenyon
That's debatable.
Posted by GeoLaureate8 6 years ago
GeoLaureate8
"'no religion' by definition entails atheism." -- Con

Not necessarily. You can be "no religion" and also be a Deist.
Posted by TheDizziestLemon 6 years ago
TheDizziestLemon
@Geo

It's a personal opinion, which definition Is better or not .I chose the one that I thought was the best definition.
Posted by Freeman 6 years ago
Freeman
You're right Ann, I should have included that one. There are some pretty funny ones in there.

"Religion consists in a set of things which the average man thinks he believes and wishes he was certain of."
—Mark Twain

"Religions are the great fairy tales of conscience."
—George Santayana

"Religion is all bunk."
— Thomas Edison

"Religion is an illusion and it derives its strength from the fact that it falls in with our instinctual desires."
—Sigmund Freud, New Introductory Lectures on Psychoanalysis

"Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet."
—Napoleon Bonaparte

"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence; it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
—Bertrand Russell
Posted by LaissezFaire 6 years ago
LaissezFaire
Atheism clearly isn't a religion even by Pro's definition anyway.
Posted by GeoLaureate8 6 years ago
GeoLaureate8
@ TheDizziestLemon

No, I will complain to you because Dictionary.com listed several better definitions before that one, yet you chose that one.
Posted by annhasle 6 years ago
annhasle
"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opiate of the people."
—Karl Marx

How could you have left out that one, Freeman?! loljk
Posted by Freeman 6 years ago
Freeman
You're welcome. I got them from here, if you're interested. http://www.religionfacts.com...
Posted by J.Kenyon 6 years ago
J.Kenyon
(PS, thanks, Freeman, I'm definitely stealing your second definition)
Posted by Freeman 6 years ago
Freeman
"Religion being defined as: Something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience."

Great, let's call the Republican Party a religion. I'm sure they would love the tax breaks.
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