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IntellectualThinker
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theta_pinch
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Atheist arguments are sound

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/21/2013 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 643 times Debate No: 42736
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IntellectualThinker

Con

Rules:

1) Pro must argue in favor of the resolution that Atheist arguments are indeed, sound.

2) No trolling.

3) Pro must type in "I shall not make any further arguments, as agreed upon."

Failure to follow these rules will result in a 7-point forfeiture.

Definitions:

Atheism: Lack of belief or disbelief in God.

Sound: A belief that turns out to be true.

By accepting this debate, your arguments must abide by the definitions, and all rules shall be followed.

theta_pinch

Pro

First when does pro type I shall not make any further arguments as agreed upon? Con can go first.
Debate Round No. 1
IntellectualThinker

Con

No, you are supposed to state your arguments for me to justify my claim that atheist arguments are fallacious, therefore unsound.
theta_pinch

Pro

I contend that atheistic arguements are not fallacious because they are based in what can be observed and on logic. All religious arguments are impossible to prove and are entirely fallacious.
Debate Round No. 2
IntellectualThinker

Con

Prove it. Give me an example.
theta_pinch

Pro

Con asks for an example of a fallacious religious argument; here is one: The teleological argument. This is how it goes:
1. The universe has physical constants which cause the conditions for the development of life.
2. The range that those constants can be within and still support life is very small.
3. The physical constants of the universe are therefore to precise to have been random chance.
4. Therefore there must be an intelligent entity that designed the universe to support life.
5. That entity is God.
This has two fallacies in it; the first one is the assumption that because the conditions for life are improbable to occur naturally there MUST be an entity that designed and caused those conditions to occur. The second fallacy is the False Dilemma fallacy. The Teleological argument gives a false dilemma of either a highly improbable natural cause, or God as the cause (God commonly being defined as an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent entity) when there is also the possibility that it was an omnipotent entity that isn't omnibenevolent (not God.)

Here are two atheistic argument against God: the omnipotence paradox and the argument from free will. The omnipotence paradox goes like this: can God create a rock so heavy he can't lift it. If God can create a rock so heavy he can't lift it he's not omnipotent; if he can't create a rock so heavy he can't lift it then he's not omnipotent; so either way he's not omnipotent. The argument from free will is another paradox which goes like this: God is omnipotent, so he can create a being with free will. God is also Omniscient, so he knows what choice that being with free will is going to make. If God knows what choice the being with free will is going to make; then the being doesn't have free will. If the being does have free will then God can't know what choice they will make. In the former scenario God can't make a being with free will because he will always know what choice they will make and therefore is not omnipotent. In the latter God can create a being with free will but doesn't know what choice that being will make, therefore he is not Omniscience. Therefore God can't exist as he must have qualities that are incompatible.
Debate Round No. 3
IntellectualThinker

Con

IntellectualThinker forfeited this round.
theta_pinch

Pro

I will wait for further arguments. by the way, when d I type "I shall not make any further arguments, as agreed upon?
Debate Round No. 4
IntellectualThinker

Con

IntellectualThinker forfeited this round.
theta_pinch

Pro

I shall not make any further arguments as agreed upon
Debate Round No. 5
1 comment has been posted on this debate.
Posted by delgadojustin2146 3 years ago
delgadojustin2146
Damn i wish i would've saw this first. Atheism is not sound at all.
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Vote Placed by KingDebater 3 years ago
KingDebater
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro had arguments, unlike con, and didn't forfeit, unlike con.