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brontoraptor
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Envisage
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Atheists are irrational in their thinking

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Started: 7/18/2016 Category: Religion
Updated: 7 months ago Status: Debating Period
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brontoraptor

Pro

Atheists are irrational in their thinking.

Good luck.

Atheists= lack of belief in any god anywhere.

Irrational=not making sense.
Debate Round No. 1
brontoraptor

Pro

"Perception is reality."

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Atheism is far inferior to Christianity in meeting the "Hierarchy of Psychological Needs", if it even meets them at all.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

The Hierarchy of Needs-

-friendship
-love
-security
-physical needs

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*According to the hierarchy of psychological needs:
"If these "deficiency needs" are not met, with the exception of the most fundamental (physiological) need, there may not be a physical indication, but the individual will feel anxious and tense."

*(1 Peter 5:6-7)
"Humble yourselves, therefore, under the mighty hand of God so that at the proper time he may exalt you," casting all your ANXIETIES on him, because he cares for you."

Matthew 6:31-32 Therefore DO NOT BE ANXIOUS, saying, "What shall we eat?" or "What shall we drink?" or "What shall we wear?" For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all.

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FRIENDSHIP-

(John 15:15)
"I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you FRIENDS."

LOVE-

(John 13:34-35) "
"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another." By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another."

SECURITY-

(John 10:28-29)
"and I give eternal life to them, and they will not perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand."

(Deuteronomy 33:27)
"The eternal God is a dwelling place, And underneath are the everlasting arms of protection."

PHYSICAL NEEDS-

(Matthew 10:29-31)
"Are not two sparrows sold for a cent? And yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father. "But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. "So do not fear; you are more valuable than many sparrows.

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Richard Dawkins, Atheist, Author of "The God Delusion"-

"The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference."
-Dawkins

www.goodreads.com/quotes/22201-the-total-amount-of-suffering-per-year-in-the-natural

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NEGATIVE BELIEFS-

The number one component to depression is negative beliefs and negative thinking.

http://reset.me...

As Christianity is in decline...

http://www.pewforum.org...

Suicide is climbing up, up, up.

http://www.cnn.com...

http://m.huffpost.com...

http://www.philly.com...

http://www.newsweek.com...

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I have mixed feelings about the decline of Christianity, in so far as Christianity may be a bulwark against something worse.

http://www.breitbart.com...

http://m.christianpost.com...

So what has Atheism done? Go militant against Christianity. It has bitten the hand that allowed it to exist. In Islamic countries Atheists are simply...killed.

http://mobile.reuters.com...

http://www.frontpagemag.com...

It's the equivalent of getting rid of your neighbor who you disagree with, just to have him replaced by someone who hates you and now burns your house down and kills your family. The logic is completely irrational.

This is a fair assessment because?

Liberals went crazy when Muslims were denied access to Europe and all after militantly trying to destroy Christianity. Millions upon millions of Islamic asylum seekers came flooding into Europe. They were even welcomed with food, water, and signs saying "welcome"!

What happened?

Many refugees rejected the food and water for "not being halal", booing and hissing. Europe began facing what was called a "migration crisis". Suddenly Sweden was labeled as the new "Rape Capital of the World", Germany underwent the "rape jihad" of nearly 2,000 German women in one night, and European countries started trying to round up asylum seekers to deport them in mass.

The point?

Most people want to believe. If you push out Christianity, you will simply replace it with something else, and it won't be Atheism. If not Christianity, do you dare theorize what the "something else" might be?

http://www.gallup.com...

Perhaps this?

http://www.barenakedislam.com...

(Short video)

http://youtu.be...
Envisage

Con


Thanks Pro.

Atheists are no less rational than theists
Atheists by definition do not believe God exists. That is the only factor tying all atheists together as a group. This is a single answer to a single question.. Regardless of whether or not God exists, and whether or not atheists are right or wrong on this question, the resolution implies that atheists are irrational in any and all of their thinking, full stop.

If we are to assume that at least some theists are rational in their thinking, and some of that thinking is about things not linked to theology, then it stands to reason that atheists who reason about comparable things are also rational, lest they not come to sound conclusions on anything.

Given that atheists are capable of doing math, sciences, arts, and exist functionally in virtually every sector in the public, then it cannot soundly follows that atheists are irrational in their thinking. Full stop.

https://en.wikipedia.org...
http://www.thebestschools.org...

Moreover, rationality entails using rules of reason and inference, which is a branch of philosophy. Given that 72.8 percent of surveyed philosophers (much higher than the background proportion of atheists of virtually any population in the world) from a range of backgrounds identify as atheists, this stands as evidence that atheists are not inherently irrational in their thinking.

Rebuttals
1. Hierarchy of Psychological Needs
Assuming that atheism is inferior to Christianoty in meeting the hierarchy of psychological needs... so what? How does this have anything to do with atheists ability to think rationally? Anxiety and tension are emotional conditions, not conditions that rationality depends on.
http://www.mind.org.uk...
Extend this rebuttal to Pro’s ‘Negative beliefs’ argument, since depression, and suicides again are not inherently linked to rationality.


2. Atheism in Islamic Countries.
Some countries have laws against atheists. So what? If atheists eradicate Christianity and leave a void for Islam… so what? How has this got anything to do with the resolution at hand?
Debate Round No. 2
brontoraptor

Pro

Con:
"If atheists eradicate Christianity and leave a void for Islam… so what?"

Because Atheism has generally thrived in Christian dominated societies peacefully overall. Islam is congenitally hostile towards Atheism and demands death, per the Quran, Sunnah, and Hadith to Atheists. It's the equivalent of getting rid of your neighbor who bakes you cookies, and replacing them with a new neighbor who burns your house down, kills your family, and now tries to kill you, then asking, "What's the difference?" It's the equivalent of handling a cat, and it annoys you, so then you replace it with a lion which eats you, thinking the cause and effect don't matter. This is irrational.

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Con:
"since depression, and suicides again are not inherently linked to rationality."

They are if you consciously hold tight to them knowing a more psychologically productive worldview is available. Negative loops and circular negative thinking are irrational to the point of being labeled a "mental disorder" and prescribed medicine for its effects.

http://www.goodtherapy.org...

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Con:
"How does this have anything to do with atheists ability to think rationally?"

Insanity is doing the same thng over and over expecting different or better results. Many Atheists claim to be depressed or anxious, yet refuse to adhere to any such cures for it out of a clinging to a defeated, negative atheist worldview and chosen perception of reality.

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Con:
"Moreover, rationality entails using rules of reason and inference, which is a branch of philosophy."

And Atheism blindly ignores the philosophical concept of "regress of infinite causality" and the laws of mathematical infinity to hold togeher their worldview.

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Con:
"Given that atheists are capable of doing math, sciences, arts, and exist functionally in virtually every sector in the public, then it cannot soundly follows that atheists are irrational in their thinking."

So was Jeffrey Dahmer. He imprisoned people in cells, dungeons, and wells, raped women and boys, skinned them, wore their skin, and ate their meat. These are not automatic qualifiers or true correlations.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

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Con:
"Atheists are no less rational than theists."

One chooses death. The other chooses eternal life. Apple or roach trap food? Apple right? Not with the Atheist. It's the roach trap food, and by conscious choice.

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Con:
"the resolution implies that atheists are irrational in any and all of their thinking."

Nope. Jeffrey Dahmer had some coherant thoughts. He was still irrational and completely insane.

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Posted by brontoraptor 7 months ago
brontoraptor
Debate me and I will
Posted by DavidMancke 7 months ago
DavidMancke
Also, here is a link to Abraham Maslow's hierarchy of needs, He said that the only self-actualize people in history were Jesus, his mother and Hitler. (it was a different time)

https://en.wikipedia.org...'s_hierarchy_of_needs
Posted by DavidMancke 7 months ago
DavidMancke
Show us where in the word it command repudiation of atheism's "ill-logic" Show us using scripture that God appeals to reasoning to reveal himself to anyone.

Show us the robust, reproducible scientific proof of your God, and your understanding of that God versus another faith.
Posted by brontoraptor 7 months ago
brontoraptor
@David

I can say you have a furry tail. That doesn't make it true.
Posted by DavidMancke 7 months ago
DavidMancke
Bronto this analysis is garbage and it's a little tough to imagine you don't know that. Your case is scriptures and bald-faced assertions.

Are you just determined to repeat some classes until Kingdom come..?

Also, I don't think either the Word or Paul's ministry would suggest that you best serve the Gospel by running around telling atheists they are irrational, especially when you don't have a case.
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