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Atheists are lost souls

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 8/21/2014 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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DivineIntervention

Pro

Atheists are lost souls because they don't see the obvious fact that there is a god and they can have a chance at eternal salvation by simply calling out to him and repenting.
AlternativeDavid

Con

"Atheists are lost souls because they don't see the obvious fact that there is a god and they can have a chance at eternal salvation by simply calling out to him and repenting."

A) Pro claims that it is obvious that there is a god yet has provided no evidence. If it is obvious, then why am I not an atheist?

B) Pro also claims that atheists are "lost souls" yet gives no evidence regarding the existence of souls. On a related note, Pro claimed that atheists are lost souls because they cannot see something that is obvious. Blind would be a more appropriate word than lost. I'm an atheist and I'm not lost at all. I'm perfectly content living without an imaginary friend.

C) Pro claims that atheists can have a chance at eternal salvation simply by calling out to Pro's god and repenting. Even if what Pro is saying is true, it's not worth my time. This is because, as Pro stated, there is only a chance. I am not guaranteed eternal salvation. Since it's not guaranteed, I'll just sit back, relax, and torture some orphans because my actions will land me in hell almost regardless.

However, as Pro said, all I have to do is open my window and yell "GOD I LOVE YOU AND I'M SORRY TAKE ME BACK".
This goes against the Bible. As God is omnipresent [1] [2], I should be able to whisper the words and he'll love me all the same.

In conclusion, Pro did not meet their burden of proof, did not cite sources for their claims, and provided information that goes against what the Bible says about God.

[1] Jeremiah 23:24
[2] Proverbs 15:3
Debate Round No. 1
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Posted by RulerOfNone 3 years ago
RulerOfNone
Oh joy, another would-be preacher that has no interest in intelligent debate.
Posted by Sagey 3 years ago
Sagey
This debate was stupid, Pro starting out with a Presuppositional argument.
The kind of argument theists only resort to when they have already lost the argument/debate.
A sort of Apologetics last resort tactic to obfuscate and confuse the opposition.
Something sye Ten Bruggencate tries regularly to assert and always falls on his own face by using it.

Especially in his debate with Matt Dillahunty.

https://www.youtube.com...

Sye demonstrates his mind is where madness exists.
Posted by Vajrasattva-LeRoy 3 years ago
Vajrasattva-LeRoy
If "God" is Omnipotent, Omnipresent, & Omniscient, there obviously couldn't be any atheists, lost souls, calling out to God. , etc.
Neither Theism nor Atheism makes sense.
It's apparently impossible to prove that a Creator exists,
but it's very easy to prove that a Creator cannot not exist.
If no Creator existed, neither would we.
Leaving aside the fact that there's no "eternal salvation" , the idea that people never need to repent because they'd only have a "chance" of being saved doesn't make sense.
"Evil" doesn't exist.
L. Ron Hubbard's idea of a Gradient Scale makes sense.
Some things are more good & some things are less good.
The idea that people are either damned or saved doesn't make sense.
Karma makes sense- Cause & Effect- You reap what you sow.
Repentance makes sense.
Don't count on 9spaceking- he's nuts.
Posted by AlternativeDavid 3 years ago
AlternativeDavid
Bleh I accidently wrote "why am I not an atheist", instead of "why am I an atheist".
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Vote Placed by Ragnar 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro decided not to contest any of cons points. ... Single round debates, should be in the opinion section, however this one was so weak I doubt it would even hit the word minimum for that.
Vote Placed by Sagey 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro starts off the debate with a Presuppositionalist argument, an argument that is an Admission by Theists that they have lost a debate. So to start a debate on what is an admission of losing is something I've only seen from sye Ten Bruggencate. Con was the only one to make an argument and supply references/sources.
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Reasons for voting decision: Arguments > Bias.
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Reasons for voting decision: I agreed with Con to begin with and this debate did not change anything. Con had better arguments hands down. Pro's arguments are weak, and only a few short lines. Con used sources, Pro did not.
Vote Placed by 9spaceking 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: pro got nothing