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Atheists believe in mythological concepts

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Started: 7/19/2016 Category: Religion
Updated: 4 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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brontoraptor

Pro

Atheists believe in mythological concepts.

Good luck.
malalo75

Con

This will be my first debate on DDO.

Since my opponent hasn't established any rules for this debate, I'll use round 1 for acceptance only.

Thank you Brontoraptor for this debate, and good luck to you as well.
Debate Round No. 1
brontoraptor

Pro

Mythological

The evidence says that death exists, therefore Jedd believes in death. The evidence says that chaos exists. Therefore Jedd believes Chaos exists. The evidence says that Pluto and Jupiter exist. I will now prove they exist. I will also prove that they are parts of mythology.

*Evidence death exists:

Death is the termination of all biological functions that sustain a living organism. Phenomena which commonly bring about death include biological aging (senescence), predation, malnutrition, disease, suicide, homicide, starvation, dehydration, and accidents or trauma resulting in terminal injury. Bodies of living organisms begin to decompose shortly after death. Death has commonly been considered a sad or unpleasant occasion, due to the termination of social and familial bonds with the deceased or affection for the being that has died. Other concerns include fear of death, necrophobia, anxiety, sorrow, grief, emotional pain, depression, sympathy, compassion, solitude, or saudade.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

Evidence chaos exists:

-Chaos
Chaos may refer to any state of confusion or disorder, it may also refer to:

Lawlessness (disambiguation), a lack of laws or law enforcement
Anarchy, lawlessness or a stateless society.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

Proof that Death is mythological

-Death

Death, also known as the Grim Reaper, The Destroyer, The Hooded One, The Angel of Death, & The "God" of Death, etc. is a common element in human cultures and history. Death is an iconic character throughout the world and is famous for the "Death Touch." As a personified force it has been imagined in many different ways. The popular depiction of Death as a skeletal figure carrying a large scythe and clothed in a black cloak with a hood first arose in 15th century England, while the title "the Grim Reaper" is first attested in 1847.

In some mythologies, the Grim Reaper actually causes the victim's death by coming to collect them. In turn, people in some stories try to hold on to life by avoiding Death's visit, or by fending Death off with bribery or tricks. Other beliefs hold that the Spectre of Death is only a psychopomp, serving to sever the last ties between the soul and the body, and to guide the deceased to the afterlife, without having any control over when or how the victim dies. In many mythologies (including Anglo-American), Death is personified in male form, while in others, Death is perceived as female (for instance, Marzanna in Slavic mythology).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

Evidence that chaos is mythological:

-Chaos (mythology)
In Greek mythology, Chaos (Greek: ]5;^0;_9;`2;), the primeval void, was the first thing which existed. According to Hesiod,[1] "at first Chaos came to be" (or was)[2] "but next" (possibly out of Chaos) came Gaia, Tartarus, and Eros.[3] Unambiguously born "from Chaos" were Erebus (Darkness) and Nyx (Night).[4]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

Evidence that Pluto Exists

-Pluto (minor-planet designation: 134340 Pluto) is a dwarf planet in the Kuiper belt, a ring of bodies beyond Neptune.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

-Evidence that Pluto is mythological

Pluto was the ruler of the underworld in classical mythology.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

Evidence that Jupiter exists

-Jupiter is the fifth planet from the Sun and the largest in the Solar System.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

Evidence that Jupiter is mythological

Jupiter, also Jove (Latin: Iuppiter, gen. Iovis), is the god of sky and thunder and king of the gods in Ancient Roman religion and mythology.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

-If there is no evidence that something exists, then it doesn't exist until there is evidence that proves otherwise.

My first burden of proof is to show that death, chaos, Pluto, and Jupiter do exist. I have given evidence that they do exist.

My second burden of proof is to prove that they are mythological. I have given evidence that they are all mythological.

There is unsermountable evidence that death, chaos, Pluto, and Jupiter exist. Death happens at the end of everyone's life. Chaos is all around us. Terrorism, natural disasters, wars, and the like cause chaos. Chaos is very real. Pluto and Jupiter are planets in our solar system and are cosmological realities, proven to be real by evidence using a telescope.

My next burden of proof is to prove death, chaos, Pluto, and Jupiter are mythological concepts. I have done that.

The final burden of proof is proving Malalo is an Atheist. On Malalo's profile, on "Religion", Malalo has claimed to be an Atheist.

Malalo believes in mythological concepts, and Jedd is an Atheist.
malalo75

Con

I'd like to thank my opponent for his arguments.

However I don't see any argument proving atheists believe in mythical concepts.
My opponent's main burden of proof hasn't been addressed.

My atheism cannot be used as an argument because even if I am an atheist, and let's say I do believe in mythical concepts, doesn't mean all atheists believe in mythical concepts - which is my opponent's claim.
Example:
- Forks have teeth
- Brontoraptor has teeth
- Conclusion: Brontoraptor is a fork
This is a fallacy called Faulty generalization [1]

I would also like to point out to my opponent that two very different things can share the same name. Going back to his example, Jupiter:
- Name of a planet
- Name of a Roman god
These two very different things share the same name. Believing in one's existence does not imply the belief in the other.

[1] = https://en.wikipedia.org...
Debate Round No. 2
brontoraptor

Pro

Con:
"My atheism cannot be used as an argument because even if I am an atheist, and let's say I do believe in mythical concepts, doesn't mean all atheists believe in mythical concepts - which is my opponent's claim."

I didn't say all Atheists believe in mythological concepts. All I need is to prove an atheist believes in mythological concepts. Con has eluded to the idea that he might. In a debate with Jedd(an Atheist), Jedd admitted he was an Atheist, and he admitted that he believed in the above concepts. Our mythology believing Atheist population is going up.

http://www.debate.org...

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Con:
"Conclusion: Brontoraptor is a fork
This is a fallacy called Faulty generalization."

I am a fork. Con drops this point. Prove me wrong Con.

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Con:
"Believing in one's existence does not imply the belief in the other."

But it does. To those who believed in these mythological concepts in the past, they were synonymous. They believed the planets were gods. Con believes in these planets that the Greeks and Romans said were literal gods.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

(Bronto scampers off into the weeds)
malalo75

Con

Pro:
"All I need is to prove an atheist believes in mythological concepts."

False. My opponent's presupposition was "Atheists believe in mythological concepts". Grammatically, this implies "all atheists" since he put "Atheists" in plural. If his presupposition was "An atheist believes..." or "Some atheists believe...", I would've conceded that point.

Pro:
"But it does. To those who believed in these mythological concepts in the past, they were synonymous. They believed the planets were gods. Con believes in these planets that the Greeks and Romans said were literal gods."

This might be the case. However, the people my opponent mentioned were not atheists, since they believed in gods. I do not believe in what those people believed.
My opponent erroneously comes to the conclusion that if I believe in Jupiter the planet, then I also must believe in the Jupiter god the Romans believed in. This is untrue and my opponent failed to prove otherwise.

Finally, I would like to state that I mentioned my own atheism only in response to my opponent using my beliefs for his argument in round 2.
I do not pretend to represent the entire atheist community.

Pro:
"(Bronto scampers off into the weeds)"

Thank you for the debate, Brontoraptor. If you find any lilacs while in the weeds, can you bring me some? I love that flower. Thanks.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by ADHDavid 4 months ago
ADHDavid
This is just silly.
Posted by vi_spex 4 months ago
vi_spex
then they are theists
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