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Atheists do not understand the Bible

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Started: 12/2/2012 Category: Religion
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Thewrongperson

Pro

Before I begin, I would like to admit that nearly all atheists and some theists will vote against me- main reason one being that this is a bit of a complicated idea because atheists technically "know" more about the Bible, and main reason two being that atheists, according to my experience, resort to insults when stalemated, checkmated or proven wrong. However, to quote Frank Zappa, "It has never mattered to me that thirty million people might think I'm wrong. The number of people who thought Hitler was right did not make him right... Why do you necessarily have to be wrong just because a few million people
think you are?"

Also, this is my first debate, so if I am incorrect in my grammar, facts or manner, I will probably do better next time.

I will begin by elaborating my argument that atheists have tried so hard to denounce religion and made sarcastic or humorous statements that they begin believing them (crying wolf).

For instance, take this quote-

"The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree."

This "argument" has been copy pasted all over the internet by "debating" atheists, even though it has its obvious flaws. It seems to me that atheists are really "crying wolf" if they actually believe this.

(By the way, atheists are constantly doing things they accuse the church of doing, such as murder, libel, bigotry, not complying with scientific laws. They also believe that they are "scientifically correct", when the smallest bit of research hints toward Christianity. This further implies that atheists are delusional.)

Jesus was half-Jewish and half-divine. To call him Jewish would be like calling the son of a Mexican immigrant who married an anglo a Mexican, which is obviously inaccurate. Nor was he cosmic, as he was quite mundane during his life on earth.

He was not a zombie, either- he was revived to peak physical condition, capable of rational thought and emotion, did not crave flesh, etc.

Jesus was not his own father- God was. Just because the author/atheists doesn't understand the Trinity doesn't mean he/they should throw it out entirely.

Jesus does not "make" you live forever, either. He lets you into Heaven, the more desirable afterlife.

Jesus does not become your "master". A master implies slavery, and Christianity is far from that. Nor is there an evil force in your soul, only the ability to choose right from wrong. Jesus does not remove that, but he does suffer for what that ability causes.

The tree was not magical, and Satan did not assume the form of a snake. It was probably more lizard-like, or perhaps even it was a dinosaur. The tree was not magical as it was only symbolism for betraying God. If you ate from the fruit, you betrayed God, and that's what gave you the ability to choose right from wrong, not the tree itself.

So that concludes my rebuttal to this copypasta, and also concludes my proposition that atheists do not truly understand the Bible. I await an opponent now.
jh1234l

Con

I accept the debate challenge. As this is the second time I have debated a religious topic, I might make a few mistakes, too. As Pro has not stated the burden of proof, I assume that the BOP is on Pro.

The resolution implies that all atheists do not understand the bible. While it is true that not all atheists have read the bible, I argue that this statement is false just like the statement "All creationists do not understand the word 'theory'.", as both are broad groups of people and saying that they ALL have a specific thing in common is not always a fact unless the thing is how they are grouped on.

"I will begin by elaborating my argument that atheists have tried so hard to denounce religion and made sarcastic or humorous statements that they begin believing them (crying wolf)."

You have yet to prove that many atheists have said that quote, nor have given a link to where you got it from, but I'll argue it anyways.

"(By the way, atheists are constantly doing things they accuse the church of doing, such as murder, libel, bigotry, not complying with scientific laws. They also believe that they are "scientifically correct", when the smallest bit of research hints toward Christianity. This further implies that atheists are delusional.)"

a) Pro has not stated any research that points towards Christianity, even though he is supposed to do so as he has the BOP by default.

b) A delusion is a fixed false belief, [1] and you have not proven that Atheists do not have scientific evidence, nor has given a reason why it is a fixed false belief.

"Jesus was half-Jewish and half-divine. To call him Jewish would be like calling the son of a Mexican immigrant who married an anglo a Mexican, which is obviously inaccurate. Nor was he cosmic, as he was quite mundane during his life on earth."

In religious terms, divinity is the state of things that come from a supernatural power or deity, such as God, and are therefore regarded as sacred and holy. [2] Jesus was divine because he came from god, and divinity is not a ethnic group, while Jewish is. Therefore Jesus was Jewish, his divinity is entirely separate from his ethnic group. Therefore he is completely (not half) Jewish, but also divine at the same time.

"He was not a zombie, either- he was revived to peak physical condition, capable of rational thought and emotion, did not crave flesh, etc."

Zombies are animated corpses resurrected by mystical means. [3] They do not always crave flesh. In fact, there are legends about Voodoo zombies in Haiti that are intelligent, but these are only legends.

"Jesus was not his own father- God was. Just because the author/atheists doesn't understand the Trinity doesn't mean he/they should throw it out entirely."

Some Christians believe that Jesus was God. Also, Nontrinitarian Christians reject the notion of the Holy Trinity. [4]

"Jesus does not "make" you live forever, either. He lets you into Heaven, the more desirable afterlife."

Heaven can also be counted as an extension to your life by some, as your soul is technically going to be there.

"Jesus does not become your "master". A master implies slavery, and Christianity is far from that."

There are certain things in Christianity that does include slavery. For example,God can tell you to do anything.

"If their god tells them to kill strangers, they are compelled to obey
If their god tells them to kill their friends, they are compelled to obey
If their god tells them to kill their family, they are compelled to obey
If their god tells them to kill someone for drawing a harmless cartoon, they are compelled to obey
If their god tells them to kill themselves in the process, they are compelled to obey" -Atheist.org [5]

"The tree was not magical, and Satan did not assume the form of a snake. It was probably more lizard-like, or perhaps even it was a dinosaur. "

No proof given by Pro to prove that it is the case.

"So that concludes my rebuttal to this copypasta, and also concludes my proposition that atheists do not truly understand the Bible. I await an opponent now."

No wonder atheists are atheists. {They do not believe that there is a way to copy pasta. }

In conclusion, the statement between { and } are "crying wolf".

[1]http://dictionary.reference.com...
[2]http://en.wikipedia.org...
[3]http://en.wikipedia.org...
[4]http://en.wikipedia.org...
[5]http://atheists.org...
Debate Round No. 1
Thewrongperson

Pro

First, I'd like to point out that I've already made mistakes. I failed to read the introduction PM sent to me automatically because I did not see the icon. Because I did not see the icon, I didn't format my argument correctly or provide evidence. I will make blunt mistakes like this to come, but this does not give my opponent a reason to be easy on me.

I also would like to apologize for being so late to reply. As you see, most of the debate time has been consumed by my delay and we will most likely not reach round 5. There were several setbacks, none of which I could do anything about.

With that aside, I'd like to present sources for my information-

Frank Zappa quote- http://www.positiveatheism.org...

Cosmic Jewish Zombie copypasta- https://www.google.com...

Parentheses 1- Almost anywhere with atheists on the internet (dearly sorry, most of the links I had evaporated)

Not a zombie- The Holy Bible, Luke 12, John 20-21

Not magical- The Holy Bible, Genesis 3

Thank you for replying. The following is my response-

I do not believe that saying that atheists do not understand the Bible is a generalization, but a statement such as "all black people are of African descent", however much less obvious or objectional it may be.

I did, in fact, have a link with a huge scary text wall of proofs, but I lost it. I will continue looking for it and if I find it will post it in the comment section.

As for divinity, you are correct. I used that word for lack of a better one. But whatever nationality God is, my point still stands- Jesus was only half-Jewish.

While some "Christians" do believe things that are against what the Bible says or not in the Bible, this should be regarded as "non-canonical", as it is not supported by anything.

While the Bible does discuss slavery, it does not condone it.

Your [5] is ridiculous, as the Bible says "Thou shalt not kill". I don't recall anywhere in the Bible where God says to kill someone.

Thank you for taking the time to read my (probably flawed) response.
jh1234l

Con

Thanks for my opponent for his response.

Since I do not have the BOP because I am in the CON position, I will only have rebuttals.

Rebuttals

"I do not believe that saying that atheists do not understand the Bible is a generalization, but a statement such as "all black people are of African descent", however much less obvious or objectional it may be."

I will contend that it is a generalization. As atheists mean a big group of people and although some of them might not have read or understand the bible, others might have. Therefore, if this statement is not generalization, then "all creationists do not know the word theory" is also not a generalization. For example, if Jane does not like her classmate John, that does not mean that everyone does not like John.

"As for divinity, you are correct. I used that word for lack of a better one. But whatever nationality God is, my point still stands- Jesus was only half-Jewish."

Jewish is a ethnic group [1], while divinity is the state of things that come from a supernatual power or deity. [2] As divinity is not an ethnic group, Jesus is completely Jewish but can be divine at the same time.

"While some "Christians" do believe things that are against what the Bible says or not in the Bible, this should be regarded as "non-canonical", as it is not supported by anything."

This is somewhat irrelevent to the debate.

"Your [5] is ridiculous, as the Bible says "Thou shalt not kill". I don't recall anywhere in the Bible where God says to kill someone."

Let's see.

1. Kill homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)[3]

2. Kill believers in other religions.
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)[3]

3.Kill non-believers, including buddhists, atheists, agnostics, etc.
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)[3]

4. Kill everyone in a town if one person worships another god.

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)[3]

"While the Bible does discuss slavery, it does not condone it."

"The Bible clearly approves of slavery in many passages, and it goes so far as to tell how to obtain slaves, how hard you can beat them, and when you can have [*removed*] with the female slaves."-Evilbible [4]

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)[4]

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)[4]

[1]http://en.wikipedia.org...
[2]http://en.wikipedia.org...
[3]http://www.evilbible.com...
[4]http://www.evilbible.com...
Debate Round No. 2
Thewrongperson

Pro

Thank you also for your second reply.

I never found the "huge scary text wall" that I talked about, but google has pages and pages of pages of proof. You may do the same thing I did (but inverse to support your argument, of course) if you wish, and I encourage you to, because I am confident in my ability to debunk every one of those arguments.

https://www.google.com...

https://www.google.com...

http://evidenceforchristianity.blogspot.com...

http://evidencebible.com...

Saying atheists understand the Bible and reject it is nonsense. There is nothing that befuddles me about the Bible, and I am a Christian. I like to point out that there are also no atheist theologists. (Just throwing this out, but on the other hand, there are atheists that are also christians [http://www.hotair.com...], which indicates that they are confused and do not understand the Bible)

Your claim about Jesus being fully Jewish is like saying that if you have half a pepperoni pizza and half nothing, then you have a full pepperoni pizza.

I brought that up because of the remark you made about Non-Trinitarians.

Explaining "slavery" in the Bible- http://bibleapologetics.wordpress.com...

And for all of the "kill the heretics" items, I'd like to point out that this was Moses speaking and not God.

Now that I've responded to your claims, I'd like to discuss what offends me about atheists, why I believe they are wrong, etc.

http://www.theblaze.com...

As soon as you open this page, you see an atheist advertisement comparing Jesus Christ to mythological creatures. The obvious difference is JC was real and has walked the earth (Josephus' works cover this, as well as the works of Cornelius Tacticus and Lucian of Samosata. The Romans and the Sanhedrin recorded it as well as several heretics claiming to be Jesus). Jesus did have supernatural powers (same sources as above), rose from the dead (https://www.google.com..., same sources as above), and ascended into the sky (http://christianity.about.com..., same sources as 1st). So, this ad has been debunked, is an utter lie and should be illegalized.

Second, this story reminds me of how the Grinch stole Christmas- a person or group with a heart of coal decides to take something away from an innocent group and ruin their celebration because it very slightly bothers them and fails. I am not offended by atheists and atheists should not be offended by Christians.

http://www.reddit.com...

r/atheism being a default subreddit. This obviously has its problems.

To me, saying that God does not exist is like knowing you're in trouble with your parents who are coming home and convincing yourself that they don't exist. Evidence for his/their existence surrounds us, but atheists simply believe what's more convenient for them. This adds another point to the idea that atheists are delusional, confused, insecure, etc. (An idea that I do not entirely stand behind but realize is relevant to the conversation)

I realize that this idea will be unpopular with humanists and atheists alike, but I propose that religion helps the government keep people from committing acts of crime. The Bible states that if you disobey any law of the land that does not contradict the word of God (Romans 13:1), you are sinning against God. Obviously, God does not say anything about condoning stealing, killing, adultery, rape, etc. As there are the laws of the land on this topic, disobeying them is disobeying God. So even if a Christian knows he can get away with crime, he doesn't do it because he is afraid of God. This is helpful to other people, the economy, the government, himself and the environment.

I imagine even if I "win" this debate, it will not change anything immediately, but know that I try to prove Christianity as a labor of love, and I hope you feel it. I want to prove Christianity so you turn your lives over to God and your afterlife and fate are secured. I do this not because I don't want to be wrong, but because I don't want you to be wrong when you die. I congratulate that you have been much more mature than any atheist I have debated with before previously. Thank you a thousand times for participating in this debate with me.
jh1234l

Con

Thanks to my opponent for his response.

I also apologize for a late response.

I will start by refuting some of my opponent's contentions.

"Saying atheists understand the Bible and reject it is nonsense. There is nothing that befuddles me about the Bible, and I am a Christian."

This means that there are no contradictions or errors in the Bible. However, there are. I will not make a full list as this is not what this debate is about, though.

II Kings 24:8 And Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months.
II Chron 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem.[1]

Therefore it is possible that someone would read the Bible and then reject it.

"Your claim about Jesus being fully Jewish is like saying that if you have half a pepperoni pizza and half nothing, then you have a full pepperoni pizza."

Let's say that Jewish is pepperoni and Divinity is mushroom. (No offense intended) Yes, Jesus was also divine. However, if we only take into acount the meats (ethnic groups), Jesus was fully Jewish in ethnicity.

"And for all of the "kill the heretics" items, I'd like to point out that this was Moses speaking and not God."

However, as we are talking about the Bible, this also counts.

"Explaining "slavery" in the Bible-
[link]"

For it to count as an argument, it has to be in the debate rounds.

"As soon as you open this page, you see an atheist advertisement comparing Jesus Christ to mythological creatures. The obvious difference is JC was real and has walked the earth (Josephus' works cover this, as well as the works of Cornelius Tacticus and Lucian of Samosata. The Romans and the Sanhedrin recorded it as well as several heretics claiming to be Jesus). Jesus did have supernatural powers (same sources as above), rose from the dead (https://www.google.com......, same sources as above), and ascended into the sky (http://christianity.about.com......, same sources as 1st). So, this ad has been debunked, is an utter lie and should be illegalized."

The google one just returns a 503 error, and about.com just supports [what religion you are searching for] for example the atheist portion supports Atheism the Hindu portion supports Hinduism, and so on.

Also, Jesus was a false witness.

"If I [Jesus] bear witness of myself, my witness is not true." (John 5:31)

"I [Jesus] am one that bear witness of myself..." (John 8:18) [2]

Then my opponent cotradicts himself. " I am not offended by atheists."
He earlier said "I'd like to discuss what offends me about atheists."

"This adds another point to the idea that atheists are delusional, confused, insecure, etc."

I think I heard this somewhere.

"Members of other religions are insane and deluded.

Members of no religion are insane and deluded"[3]

"To me, saying that God does not exist is like knowing you're in trouble with your parents who are coming home and convincing yourself that they don't exist."

God is incomprehendible and invisible. Therefore we cannot know wheher he exists.

"I propose that religion helps the government keep people from committing acts of crime. The Bible states that if you disobey any law of the land that does not contradict the word of God (Romans 13:1), you are sinning against God. "

Well, Christianism indirectly caused the Holocaust.

"Hitler’s anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Austria and Germany were majorly Christian during his time and they held the belief that Jews were an inferior status to Aryan Christians. The Christians blamed the Jews for the killing of Jesus. Jewish hatred did not actually spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years. " [4]

"Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church. Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus." [4]

In fact, God supports infantcide.

For example, in Psalms 135:8 & 136:10 God is praised for slaughtering little babies.[5]


These all resulted in killing. Killing is disobeying the law, yet God is praised for doing it.

"I want to prove Christianity so you turn your lives over to God and your afterlife and fate are secured. I do this not because I don't want to be wrong, but because I don't want you to be wrong when you die."


I am going to disprove Christianity because I am in the CON position.
Take the Noah's ark, for example. There are 5,702 species of mammals[6] alone, and even more if you count the other animals (without fish as this is a flood).

2 of each were taken, which means 11,404 mammals. Good luck fitting these in a wooden ark.

"I congratulate that you have been much more mature than any atheist I have debated with before previously."

I acknowledge that some atheists do do immature things, like Izbo who litterally trashed the religion forums [7] (that is in my opinion), but this does not mean that the whole group is immature. Also, there are some creationists who take Darwin's quotes out of context (cherry-picking) just to refute evolution, but that does not mean that I hate creationists.

And to close up, I would like to thank my opponent for debating with me.

[1]http://atheists.org...
[2]http://atheists.org...
[3]http://atheists.org...
[4]http://www.evilbible.com...
[5]http://www.evilbible.com...
[6]http://en.wikipedia.org...
[7]http://debate.org...
Debate Round No. 3
Thewrongperson

Pro

Thewrongperson forfeited this round.
jh1234l

Con

Extend all arguments.
Debate Round No. 4
Thewrongperson

Pro

Thewrongperson forfeited this round.
jh1234l

Con

My opponent has forfeited due to a faulty internet connection. I understand that the forfeit is not due to poor conduct and therefore he should not lose the conduct score, in my opinion. Since no arguments are given in this round, I will start to refute his earlier arguments.

"(By the way, atheists are constantly doing things they accuse the church of doing, such as murder, libel, bigotry, not complying with scientific laws. They also believe that they are "scientifically correct", when the smallest bit of research hints toward Christianity. This further implies that atheists are delusional.)"


Bigotry: stubborn
and complete intolerance of any creed
, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own. [1]

My opponent has not proven this argument, and for the "murder" part, one criminal believing a specific belief does not mean everyone believing the belief is a criminal. Therefore this argument holds no water.

And society and churches are utterly commiting bigotry against atheists.
"Disturbingly, Atheists are "seen as a threat to the American way of life by a large portion of the American public," despite being only 3% of the U.S. population according to Dr. Edgell, associate sociology professor and the lead researcher in the project." [2]

Scientific evidence may point towards a religion, but religions are not scientific theories waiting to be proved right. Plus, this statement can be turned around and say that whenever scientific evidence points towards evolution, creationists will take quot from scientists out of context. (They have done it , with the "absurd in highest degree" quote) [3] ,which is just as fallacious.

Original quote: To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree. Yet reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a perfect and complex eye to one very imperfect and simple, each grade being useful to its possessor, can be shown to exist; if further, the eye does vary ever so slightly, and the variations be inherited, which is certainly the case; and if any variation or modification in the organ be ever useful to an animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be considered real.-- Charles Darwin

"Atheists, according to my experience, resort to insults when stalemated, checkmated or proven wrong."

Let's see.. insults I used so far in this debate: 0.
Insults used by my opponent: 0.

Thanks to my opponent for this debate.

[1]http://dictionary.reference.com...
[2]http://atheists.org...
[3]http://en.wikipedia.org...
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Thewrongperson 4 years ago
Thewrongperson
Wiploc-

You are correct. I should have addressed it more. Instead, the debate went off in a different direction.

Maybe Jon Stewart was trying to be funny when he delivered the joke but atheists have taken it seriously so it's entirely relevant to say that they believe all that.

I did, however, address it somewhat. You should read the debate again.

I'd like to point out that using insults strategically in a debate is far different from the mindless babbling I'm talking about. (ie., "Stfu u stopid cristfag go 2 hel u jugmentl homaphobic POS f u"[1])

[1]any Christian post on 4chan or a similar site
Posted by wiploc 4 years ago
wiploc
RFD:

Pro had the burden of proof, but he never even tried. Do atheists fail to understand the bible? He never really addresses that subject.

Instead, he talks about a Jon Stewart joke (I assume it's Jon Stewart, when I read it, I imagine it delivered in his voice.) Pro doesn't seem to understand the concept of humor, dissecting the joke as if it were intended to be understood literally.

Pro proves that he is confused by humor, but that is not way to prove that atheists are confused by the bible.

Persuasion: Con.

Conduct to Con too, because Pro wasted our time on a debate that he never intended to show up for. I'm not talking about the forfeited rounds; I'm talking about initiating a five round debate on the subject of whether atheists are confused by the bible, and then never addressing that topic. Instead of talking about that, Pro just insulted us over and over. (Yes, Con said Pro used 0 insults, but that's absurd in the face of reality.)

Notes:

- Pro wrote: "I'd like to discuss what offends me about atheists ... I am not offended by atheists...."

- Pro wrote: "... atheists, according to my experience, resort to insults when stalemated, checkmated or proven wrong," So presumably he wouldn't do that. But, he said we are, sarcastic, crying wolf, delusional, and immature. Rather than support his argument, he just calls us names. If he'd had an argument, and salted these insults into it, I might overlook it. But insult is the essence of his argument, so I'm voting conduct.
Posted by Thewrongperson 4 years ago
Thewrongperson
Drafting on notepad, but it appears I have some kind of upload limit on my internet carrier that doesn't let me upload certain file sizes.

I'm ditching the 3G internet for proper Wi-Fi soon enough, anyways.
Posted by jh1234l 4 years ago
jh1234l
If you want to, yes.
Posted by wiploc 4 years ago
wiploc
Are you drafting your replies offline, and then using the internet just for the posting? Or are you composing your arguments here at DDO?
Posted by Thewrongperson 4 years ago
Thewrongperson
And the general consensus is that I need a better internet connection. Preferably one that doesn't erase my last two arguments. Would you like to have a follow-up debate?
Posted by Thewrongperson 4 years ago
Thewrongperson
I'm sorry I couldn't reply, I seriously need a better internet connection.
Posted by wiploc 4 years ago
wiploc
Oh, this debate has already started. Well, if you want to challenge me to a new debate, I'm game. You can make it three rounds, and start right in arguing in the first round.
Posted by wiploc 4 years ago
wiploc
Oh, but I'd like the debate to be only four rounds, with the first round for acceptance only. Longer debates tend to rehash material pointlessly. I tend not to read 5-round debates, so I don't want to ask others to read them.
Posted by wiploc 4 years ago
wiploc
: atheists have never given a single valid reason for their atheism.

That's nice. So your real point is that theism is obviously correct, so atheism cannot be justified? If this is the meaning of your resolution, I'll be happy to accept this debate.
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Vote Placed by GorefordMaximillion 4 years ago
GorefordMaximillion
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro did not meet BOP. Con, being an athiest, showed he understood the Bible. Will not award conduct point (to con) per con's request.
Vote Placed by wiploc 4 years ago
wiploc
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Reasons for voting decision: RFD in comments.