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Athenian Democracy

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Started: 10/30/2014 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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myleerae13

Con

I do not believe the Athenians were a democracy. The Athenians did vote, but a democracy is more than just voting.
Paula22

Pro

Is the Athenian Democracy really a Democracy? Yes, it is. Their constitution favors many instead of the few. If you are to look at the laws, they give equal justice to all. Social class has no say in your skills, and qualifications, and poverty doesn't get in the way. The democracy has made its self a master of everything, and administers everything by its votes. All of the military Treasurers, Commissioners, and Superintendents are elected by vote, including all military officers. Therefore making it a Democracy.
Debate Round No. 1
myleerae13

Con

The constitution only favors males over 20 that have completed their military training. Only 12% of the population gets to vote, meaning that 88% of the population can't, so how can you get accuracy on what the whole population wants? Only 28,828 people can vote in the entire population! Also, a democracy needs to include rights, which most of their population doesn't have.
Paula22

Pro

Your numbers are out of proportion. Yes, only 12% could vote. but did you look at the categories of people who were listed? 80,000 of this number were as presented slaves, 25,775 people were Metics, and a whopping 74,750 were children. Do you really think foreigners, and children have the right knowledge, and know whats best for the country? And the reason for the military training for the men is because if you are willing to die for your country, you would also make the right decision for country, in picking the right people.
Debate Round No. 2
myleerae13

Con

I calculated that only 28,828 people could vote. You didn't mention that women could not vote and you also didn't say anything about people's rights. If people truly had their rights, which is part of a democracy, would they promote fear? "Fear is our chief protection against this, teaching us to obey the magistrates and the laws." which is quoted from Thucydides in "Pericle's Funeral Oration". Fear should not be instilled in the people because fear doesn't equal free.
Paula22

Pro

First of all we are not discussing women's rights, we are discussing whether or not this is a democracy. And about the fear, that does not define what a democracy is. a Democracy is equal justice to all, which is a judicial system. People vote, which they did no matter how few, and people make laws. Also, having a council to do so, and they had that as well. How is it not a democracy when all these things are fulfilled. Whether their methods are fear, love, or being proud of your country and its representatives, is all insignificant.
Debate Round No. 3
myleerae13

Con

Okay, first of all, women were part of this democracy and they didn't get to vote. Fear instilled in a democracy doesn't help the fact that the people can't feel free. Not all of the people got to vote, so not all of the people had their rights, which is a major part of the democracy.
Paula22

Pro

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Debate Round No. 4
myleerae13

Con

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Paula22

Pro

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