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gabeXcore
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Grape
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Avenged Sevenfold is a better heavy metal/hardcore band than (opponent's choice)

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Grape
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 2/8/2011 Category: Arts
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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gabeXcore

Pro

The Con must argue as to why Avenged Sevenfold is not better than a band of their choice.
The standards that should weigh this round are:
1.Artistic expansion
2.Influence
3.staying power proportionate to the time they've been on the scene.
4. the intenisty of influence on the genre

just for fun kinda thing, i am a huge A7X fan, so i figured id test my own ability to defend that veiw.
Grape

Con

I will contend that Iron Maiden is a better band according to the standards.

1. Iron Maiden's musical style is best defined by the fast and intense intrumentation and powerful vocals of "The Number of the Beast" but "A Matter of Life and Death" features soft vocals and acoustic instruments.

2. Trivium singer Matt Heafy said, "Iron Maiden helped create what we know as heavy metal." They defined the new wave of British heavy metal.

3. Iron Maiden was started 36 years ago and recently released it's fifteenth studio album, "Final Frontier," which has had the best chart success of any of their studio albums.

4. Metallica, Trivium, and Slayer all attribute their existence to Iron Maiden.

M Shadows of Avenged Sevenfold said, "Maiden are by far the best live band in the world and their music is timeless."

http://en.wikipedia.org...

The video is Paschendale, my favorite Iron Maiden song.

Debate Round No. 1
gabeXcore

Pro

gabeXcore forfeited this round.
Grape

Con

All arguments extended.
Debate Round No. 2
gabeXcore

Pro

1. Their musicstyle has gone from metalcore to heavy metal.
2.( against arguments 2, 3, and 4) Avenged was started ten years ago and made it to the top in 05, and are still one of the mainstays of heavy metal today. "The band themselves have received much credit for their worldwide mainstream success and and were most notably proclaimed as one of the leaders and key bands in the New Wave of American Heavy Metal and featured in second place on Ultimate Guitar's Top Ten Bands of the Decade. It took Avenged five years to gain fame. For example, their newest album which has only been out eight months and has just recently attained Gold as well as being voted as the best metal album of the year by Revolver, over Iron Maidens 'Final Frontier'.http://www.nocleansinging.com... and while all those bands attribute their existence to maiden, Avenged has been around for ten years and is experiencing an equal, if not greater amount of fame and recognition
Grape

Con

1. Pro cites a change from one style to a very similar style. Iron Maiden has defined rather than conformed to styles and has great variety in their music.

2. The New Wave of American Heavy Metal is of course named in reference to the New Wave of British Heavy Metal, a movement in which Iron Maiden was central. Avanged Sevenfold has cited Iron Maiden as an influence, and Avenged Sevenfold emerged late in the NWOAHM movement.

3. Iron Maiden has existed for more than three times as long as Avenged Sevenfold and the only time that Avenged Sevenfold surpassed Iron Maiden in Google popularity was when their drummer died.

4. Iron Maiden influenced many of the biggest metal bands in history. Avenged Sevenfold is a late edition to a movement named in reference to what Iron Maiden achieved over a decade before. The difference in influence is clear.

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http://en.wikipedia.org...

Debate Round No. 3
gabeXcore

Pro

gabeXcore forfeited this round.
Grape

Con

Extend my arguments.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by gabeXcore 6 years ago
gabeXcore
Hey grape, sorry for my absence. Got distracted by the world for a bit. And as for your question about Dream Theatre, i think in a very generalized sense they would be, but i think their kind of a genre on their own ya know? Iron Maiden was definitely a great band to pick though, very good for this debate :]
Posted by gabeXcore 6 years ago
gabeXcore
@ASB, Have you not heard Waking the Fallen or Sounding the Seventh Trumpet, both of which incorporate aspects of metalcore and hardcore. As for City of Evil and their next two albums, both are considered heavy metal, and in some cases (God Hates Us and Critical Acclaim) even metalcore still. And Godsmack? seriously? Their lead singers a gigantic tool who looks like a toothpick. Not to mention how absolutely HORRID their music is. And you'd pick disturbed? When they were on the Rockstar Uproar tour with Avenged, A7X overshadowed them in every aspect of their preformance. Every reveiw i read said something about how even though Disturbed was headlining, A7X completely over shadowed them. If anyones a moron its you ASB, just sayin.
Posted by Grape 6 years ago
Grape
If not then I will go with Iron Maiden or Black Sabbath, but I want to know if Dream Theater is an option before I decide.
Posted by Grape 6 years ago
Grape
Would Dream Theater qualify as a heavy metal band?
Posted by ASB 6 years ago
ASB
lol... did they sound hardcore enough lol
Posted by zach12 6 years ago
zach12
Avenged Sevenfold had a concert in my city just last night.
Posted by ASB 6 years ago
ASB
my hands are wrapped up right now... if not taken by end of day... ill take it
Posted by ASB 6 years ago
ASB
Avenged sevenfold is not even a heavy metal/ hardcore band moron... they are a punk band, more emo if anything...

im sorry bat country and beast and the Harlot are not the best songs out there!!!!

EVEN GODSMACK is better than Sevenfold
Posted by ASB 6 years ago
ASB
If i choose this... i would pick disturbed.
Posted by gabeXcore 6 years ago
gabeXcore
idk man
im a pretty die hard fan, but its all in fun, i just wanna test my own ability as a fan. haha.
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Freeman
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct to Con for forfeit. Though it is a subjective debate, Pro still managed to defend his side better.