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Demosthenes
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BORDER FENCING

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Started: 12/8/2007 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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frank_gore_is_da_best

Pro

illegal aliens should not be allowed in this country. we need to fence the border . they come in, have welfare but dont pay taxes. they just take money. 90% of arrest warrants are for illegal aliens. people use the excuse "if we send them back,we will have no one to do the crops" all the time. that is BS. only 2% of illegal aliens work on crops. they need to fence the border
Demosthenes

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Two points -

#1 Where are you getting your information for the warrants statistic? And where did you get the number that only 2% of farm laborers are illegal? Because the first number seems a bit high and the second number seems a bit low.

#2 What proof do you have they don't pay taxes? Or is that just a general statement? Newseek published an article in 2005 where they claimed that illegal immigrants paid almost 9 billion dollars in taxes that year. Do you have any evidence to disprove that?

The fence would accomplish approximately 0. We can't fence off the Gulf of Mexico, and we can't lock down nearly 700 miles of border on a whim. The best thing to do is to make Mexico's and other Latin American countries' economies viable in the world market and remove the drug cartels that scare so many people out of those countries.
Debate Round No. 1
frank_gore_is_da_best

Pro

i got it from the la times. about the aliens not paying taxes. illegals do not pay taxes. we may as wel try to fence the border. what do we have to lose
Demosthenes

Con

This isn't 1984, this isn't Soviet Russia. Throwing up a fence doesn't work, ask the East Germans. The Berlin Wall worked REAL well. /End sarcasm.

The Great Wall was a waste of bricks remember. That was a pretty good size fence too.
Debate Round No. 2
frank_gore_is_da_best

Pro

ok besides all that, everyone says the illegals work so hard and fast on construction. that may be true, but they do a terrible job. my dad is an inspector so he deals with house defects all the time, and most of the defects on houses are on houses mexicans did.
Demosthenes

Con

Ok, can I point out the obvious bigotry at work here?

Apparently this isn't about border security, it seems to be about Mexicans do a bad job.

My friend, one bad experience doesn't allow you to pass judgement on all Mexicans regardless of whether they are legal or not. And I'll bet my car not all illegal immigrants are mexican.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by frank_gore_is_da_best 9 years ago
frank_gore_is_da_best
it was my first debate, and i am glad i did it. i know i need to do my resaerch and not just go by opinions.
Posted by alexthemoderate 9 years ago
alexthemoderate
There better ways of a) saving the taxpayers money and b) dealing with illegal immigration than building a wall.

"The Great Wall of the Rio Grande" is an idea that just won't work. Economically speaking, migrant workers help food production, and cheap food, provided by cheap labor is something that helps out working Americans.

However, we can't have a free run either. The majority of illegal immigrants are not wanting to be permanent residents; they come here for the economic opportunity. There is not a great push for the American Dream within a large percentage of this population, though it remains a live dream for many. For those that do not wish to create a better life here, a temporary worker program seems to be the best way to work out the difficulties.

For those that do want to make a permanent move to the United States, we must expand our LEGAL capacity to accept more immigrants into this country. Teaching someone that wants to move to this country that we are bound by the rule of law is an important lesson to impart. There is a solution, but it will take compromise and reason to achieve.
Posted by BabyGirl62707 9 years ago
BabyGirl62707
A fence? Okay I understand your point about showing an interest to keep out illegal aliens. But here is my thing, 2 immigrants walking down the street. Can you tell who is here legaly and illegaly. No. Also, In order to collect welfare or recieve any type of assistance in the United States you must show proof of who you are which includes your birth certificate and social security card. You ust be a citezen wether you are naturalized or whatever you need to be a citezen. I feel that perhaps no one really fully understand what theses people are doing. These men are coming here and spending time away from there wives and girlfriends and children to better there life. They live with 25 people in a 2 bedroom 900 sq ft house to better there familys back home. We are the land of opertunity. And how can we have this open door idealism with some but not with all. There is something called political asylum. where someone who is already on American soil may ask for. If they feel their life or freedoms are threatened. Also It has become aparent to me, that your problem is with the Mexicans. http://images.google.com...

There is a fence up. No matter if we built something like the Berlin wall. We are an entity surrounded by water. We are a huge island. It is impossible to keep peopl out. No matter what it is impossble. There is not enough man power. Unless of course you suggest that we just start killing anyone who tries to enter out great nation. Hmm, starting to sound a little like something I once heard in the 1940's. Now, do we really need to re visit that.
Posted by gypsywolf 9 years ago
gypsywolf
im all for the fence but frank you need better facts and to be better armed tacticly in order to win this one and the great wall did very well to keep out the mongolians but im gonna vote for demos just because they argued their point well and frank did not
Posted by frank_gore_is_da_best 9 years ago
frank_gore_is_da_best
"Lets not forget what the issue is. Border fencing, and the big difference between the one we need and the Soviets is that ours is needed to keep ILLEGAL people out, and NOT for keeping citizens LOCKED IN!

Or maybe we should adopt Mexico's laws for foreigners who enter and or want to reside in Mexico??"
i definitely agree
Posted by AceX6 9 years ago
AceX6
Lets not forget what the issue is. Border fencing, and the big difference between the one we need and the Soviets is that ours is needed to keep ILLEGAL people out, and NOT for keeping citizens LOCKED IN!

Or maybe we should adopt Mexico's laws for foreigners who enter and or want to reside in Mexico??
Posted by frank_gore_is_da_best 9 years ago
frank_gore_is_da_best
i am sorry if i offended anyone by saying most illegals are mexicans. i got carried away.
Posted by frank_gore_is_da_best 9 years ago
frank_gore_is_da_best
on my third round comment, i did not mean to say mexicans do a terirrible job, i meant illegals.
I AM TRULY SORRY IF I OFFENDED ANYONE.
Posted by frank_gore_is_da_best 9 years ago
frank_gore_is_da_best
good debate demosthenes. this was my first and i enjoyed it
Posted by debaterjake 9 years ago
debaterjake
I understand that you don't like illegal immigration, and clearly you have some personal ties to this issue, however, you still have to objective and look at the facts.

I'm against illegal immigration, but you can not deny that illegal immigrants do benefit the economy in numerous ways. Numerous studies demonstrate this, and for you to just say they don't without demonstrating that in anyway doesn't prove your point. Besides, this debate is about a boarder fence, and quite simply, a boarder fence would not work. Have you ever hoped a fence in your life? It's not that hard.
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