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Ban Muslim immigrants.

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Started: 8/12/2016 Category: Places-Travel
Updated: 6 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Stupidape

Con

I see no reason to place a ban on Muslim immigrants. I feel that banning Muslim immigrants would be a victory for evil and terrorists. Yes, a few more terrorists may immigrate and thus incidents may happen in our country and people will probably die. Yet, this is the price for doing what's right and freedom.

Furthermore, the terrorists would have just found a different target anyways. So, instead of killing people in country A they kill people in country B. Instead, we should be merciful and allow Muslim immigrants, many of which are women and children into our country.

Thanks for the debate.
brontoraptor

Pro

Con:

"Instead, we should be merciful and allow Muslim immigrants, many of which are women and children into our country."

They were not mericiful to each other, nor are they merciful to us.

Saudi Arabia, a Muslim country took NO Muslim refugees. It's one of the richest nations on Earth and had 3 million empty hajj tents with central heat and air. Why?

1)They know the security risk.

Or

2)This is a planned Islamic invasion.

Planned Islamic invasion by silent jihad is commanded in the Quran. With it, you infiltrate the infidel, become their politicians, outbreed them, and proselytize.




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In Muslim countries, non Muslims are killed, raped, hung, burned alive beheaded, drowned in cages, or stoned. If you are lgbt? Automatic death. Period. If you are non Muslim but straight, probably beheading but you might get by if you pay a heavy extra tax to spare your life.


Saudi Arabia belittled the West to show mercy to Muslims, to take them in, to show them tollerance and then?

They allow no non-Muslims into Mecca, burned down Christian churches per a religious fatwah, took in no Islamic refugees, and began killing homosexuals in mass but...

Liberals have gone into a mode called: "Full stupid".


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Sweden opened its liberal arms to Islamic migrants. Now it is "The rape capital of Europe", and about 80% of the rapes are by Muslim men.


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Excerpt from article-

"During the 2016 New Year's Eve celebrations, hundreds of sexual assaults, rape, groping, and numerous thefts were reported in Germany, mainly in Cologne city centre." "All of the incidents involved women being surrounded and assaulted by groups of men on the street. There are more than 1,900 victims – 1,200 of whom were sexually assaulted – and police stated that at least 2,000 men were involved, acting in groups. Police reported that the perpetrators were men of "Arab or North African appearance" and said that Germany had never experienced such mass sexual assaults before."


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-Muruna

-Takiya

-Kitman

-Tawriya

To simplify, there are almost 2 billion Muslims on Earth hellbent on the destruction of the West by command of Allah. Islam uses detailed deception to destroy and/or conquer its enemies. Takiya Takiya is defined as dissimulation about ones Muslim identity. It is a full fledged lie about who you are to infiltrate and destroy your enemy. It is pretending to actually be one of your enemy.

Tawriya- Tawriya is defined as concealing, and it could be called “creative lying”. It is OK to break the intent of the oath, as long as you don’t break the letter of the oath.

Kitman- Kitman is characterized by someone telling only part of the truth.

Muruna- Muruna means using “flexibility” to blend in with the enemy or the surroundings.

This is where you act assimilated to fool your enemy into trusting you or advert its eyes from you to get power from the inside. Huma Abedin has been accused of this.

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What the West needs to understand about Islam is that Jihad is very systematic. If Muslims have the upper hand, then Jihad is waged by force. If Muslims do not have the upper hand, then Jihad is waged through financial and political means. Since Muslims do not have the upper hand in most of the West, they talk about peace in front of you while supporting terrorists in the back room. The whole idea of Islam being a peaceful religion emanates from that silent stage of Jihad.

"Although the word Jihad standing by itself means “struggle,” what Westerners need to focus on when reading the Hadith regarding Mohammed’s Jihad is similar to the focus needed when reading Mein Kampf by Adolph Hitler."

-Walid Shoebat, ex-Muslim


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And now Muslims are demanding Sharia Law be implemented in Western countries who were nice enough to give them a safe place to live away from Islamic caused totalitarianism and violence that breeds from the psychopathic cult called Islam.

Debate Round No. 1
Stupidape

Con

You made my argument for me. The terrorists use stealth and lies. The honest Muslims will be turned away at the borders. Meanwhile, only the Jihadists will get in via deceit. Furthermore, many terrorists like Jihad Jane are American born. Finally, most terrorism is Muslim on Muslim.

"Jihad Jane, the American-born Muslim convert convicted of plotting to kill a cartoonist" [0]

"""In cases where the religious affiliation of terrorism casualties could be determined, Muslims suffered between 82 and 97% of terrorism-related fatalities over the past five years.""" [1]


Nay, we will only alienate potential allies by banning Muslim immigrants. Consider most attacks are Muslim on Muslim.I think the nation will be a safer place in the long term if we allow Muslim immigrants equal opportunity. Though kindness we will win over allies.


Sources.
0. http://www.nbcnews.com...
1. http://www.bbc.com...

brontoraptor

Pro

Con:

"Nay, we will only alienate potential allies by banning Muslim immigrants."

First of...So? Let em kill each other and stay inhostility towards all and let them do it away from us.

Second off...we have no "allies" in the Middle East. Saudi Arabia (our good "friend") was behind 9/11 according to the 9/11 Report. Iran shouts "death to America!" Syria and Asad hates our guts. We just bombed Libya into oblivion, and the Egyptians had to militarily oust the bs puppet government of the Muslim Brotherhood koo that Obama tried to force on them. They wish we were dead. What allies? Name these allies...

And then...name what exactly these "allies" do for us and why exactly we need them or give a flying rat's tailend. I'm originally from one of these countries. They hate the U.S.'s guts beyond Western comprehension. They are taught that America is literally from Satan, the devil. How could they ever actually ally with America? Liberals are blind fools. They'd cut off their nose to spite their face.

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Con:

"Consider most attacks are Muslim on Muslim."

Yeah...And they hate America worse than each other, and it's not even close. If they kill their own "brothers", what do you think they want to do to you? 9/11 ring a bell? Paris? Cologne? San Bernardino? Boston? Philadelphia? Moore? Sweden? Norway? Belgium? London? Orlando? My god. What do they have to do for liberals to get it? Nuke you? Kill you? Cut your head off? Islam is nothing like Methodists, Baptists, Catholics, Mormons, etc. If they don't hate you, they aren't very devout to Islam. Muslims this crap very, very seriously. Wanna see how serious this is to Muslims?

Mecca-

(Video)


Animal sacrifices on hajj-

(Video)


That's all Muslims worldwide. They ALL have to participate. ALL. Period.

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Beheadings per Sharia-

(Video)


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"Death to America!"

(Video)


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Death penalty in Muslim countries-

(Video)


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Muslim immigration has created 900+ "no go Sharia zones" in Europe. No go zones meaning areas police will not go into that police themselves per Sharia law and Sharia courts.



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It's time for mindless liberals to wake up and quit handing their cities and countries over to a religion who would never welcome them into their countries or communities.
Debate Round No. 2
Stupidape

Con

Brontoraptor, I have little use for a religion who performs these actions.


"This year, Eid al-Adha will occur around November 16 (the precise date will be determined by lunar observations). At Eid, hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of sheep and goats will be sacrificed to celebrate the end of the annual pilgrimage to Mecca, making the timing of the article particularly significant. " [2]


Nevertheless, we must show mercy and kindness. Even if we don't gain any countries that are allies, we still gain individuals. Individuals that are capable of great courage. You for starters claim that you were once Muslim and immigrated to the United States. You have unearthed many of Islam's dark secrets. There are many like you. [3]

I perceive Muslims as the victim of a vile parasite called Islam. In order to destroy the parasite, it is necessary to allow Muslims into our country legally. An ex-Muslim is in a much better position of exposing the truth, than somebody who never has been Muslim. Remember the cold war between the capitalistic West and the feudalistic East? Part of the reason the West won is via kindness.

Many soviets defected, their families were granted safe passage in exchange for information. Believe it or not kindness can win wars. Thanks for the debate, was a good debate.


Sources
2. http://www.animalliberationfront.com...
3. http://www.answering-islam.org...
brontoraptor

Pro

Con:

"Nevertheless, we must show mercy and kindness. Even if we don't gain any countries that are allies, we still gain individuals."

Why do we need "individuals"? For what? Especially individuals from an ideology that statistically is congenitally hostile to secularism and democracy?

There's a difference between kindness and ignorant self destruction. If aliens were attacking Earth, we could try to be "kind" to them, but in reality, they'd deztroy Earth, our children, and us, and all in the pipedream that some might be peaceful? For what gain? To give ourselves a false sense of "doing the right thing", never daring to realize that "the right thing" was protecting our country, our children, lgbt's, feminism, the right to religion or lack thereof, and freedom?

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Con:

"Individuals that are capable of great courage."

Who? What people? We have 350 million here already not counting tens of millions of illegal aliens. Who is this magical Muslim we need to enlighten us or show us the way and what the hell for?

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Con:

"I perceive Muslims as the victim of a vile parasite called Islam."

I don't perceive it to be. I know it is, and I wabt it the hell away from all free democratic nations at all and any costs. I don't claim them "victims". They chose this wicked cult and keep passing down to their kids teaching hate for all who are not Muslims. It's a central tenant of the religion.

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Con:

"In order to destroy the parasite, it is necessary to allow Muslims into our country legally."

This won't "destroy the parasite". All it does it mix us in with them while they pursue slow, silent jihad and put their ignorant masses on an island away from Western thought. Hardly any Islamic countries welcome anyone non Muslim, so guess what? The Middle East keeps breeding Islam like roaches, and now Western culture bring them in. So what are most Muslim immigrants actually doing in real life?

1)Sucking the welfare system like vampires.

2)Not assimilating, but creating Islamic ghettos where most of them cannot speak the native language, are uneducated, and cannot get a job.

What's the gain? Islam has one and only one main Quranic objective. To overthrow and conquer the entire world.

QUOTES-

-"What the West does not understand about Islamism is that Jihad is very systematic. It has stages. If Muslims have the upper hand, then Jihad is waged by force.

If Muslims do not have the upper hand, then Jihad is waged through financial and political means. Since Muslims do not have the upper hand in America or Europe, they talk about peace in front of you while supporting Hamas and Hezbollah in the back room.

The whole idea of Islam being a peaceful religion emanates from that silent stage of Jihad."

-"Although the word Jihad standing by itself means “struggle,” what Westerners need to focus on when reading the Hadith regarding Mohammed’s Jihad is similar to the focus needed when reading Mein Kampf by Adolph Hitler."

-"Westerners do not understand that when it comes to the Muslim world, even the most “moderate” of Muslims, if they are religious, all believe in the coming of the Mahdi and the establishment of the Caliphate to rule the entire Globe by changing world laws to adapt the Islamic Sharia. The coming of the Mahdi to religious Muslims is as holy of a belief as the coming of Messiah is to Christians and Jews."

"To this very day, Muslims do not view peace treaties in the same way that most people understand a “peace-treaty.” To the Muslim mind, treaties are not binding agreements, but rather opportunities to grow stronger or buy time or to appear peaceful while preparing for war. But make no mistake, making peace treaties with the infidels simply for the sake of peace is never the ultimate goal. The only goal of Islam is victory over the whole world."

-Walid Shoebat, ex Muslim

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"In the real world, equal respect for all cultures doesn't translate into a rich mosaic of colorful and proud peoples interacting peacefully while maintaining a delightful diversity of food and craftwork. It translates into closed pockets of oppression, ignorance, and abuse."

-Ayan Hirsi Ali, ex Muslim

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Reality 101-

Muslims aren't coming to the West and melding away into the ocean. The West is converting to Islam, your so named "parasite".





Liberals have become mindless and are uneducated on Islam. This "parasite" is already set to take over the West by outbreeding, converting, and infiltrating the system. It's not a matter of if but when. Secular Liberals fought to oust religion from society just to replace generally coexisting religion with religion that wants to coexist with no one. These Liberals will not listen to anyone. No amount of logic, rationalising, or education phases these people. They are hellbent on taking what their fathers fought for and flushing right down the tubes at all costs. Why? Secretly, they have been taught by the older liberals to hate themselves only they don't call it that. You're not a good Liberal until you are filled with self hate, hate for America/Europe, and want to give it all away...

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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by brontoraptor 6 months ago
brontoraptor
@stupidape

So if they breed extremism that easily...we should bring in millions more as they hold us hostage by political correctness and the unspoken threat of terrorism if we don't comply...
Posted by Stupidape 6 months ago
Stupidape
There are already over 2 million Muslims in the USA. Banning Muslim immigrants is like shutting the gate when its too late. Not only that but they will resent and possibility radicalize in response to the discrimination.
Posted by Skinnyp 6 months ago
Skinnyp
Pro has one this debate for several reasons one being his arguements made a lot more sense while cons were simply personal opinions and not much evidence to back them up also bronto(pro) disputed his arguements very well explaining why cons ideas would not work and cons sources were not that good in my opinion so the win I would say goes to pro
Posted by Stupidape 6 months ago
Stupidape
Brontoraptor

Most liberals I've met don't seem to care much about anything. Only their own self interests. If you say "climate change is a hoax", a liberal will jump down your throat. Yet, if you say "you should go vegetarian/vegan to save the environment" the liberal will react the same.

So, the idea of a massive invasion by Muslims nor the end of the world by climate change doesn't matter much to the average liberal. As long as they can relax in the lap of luxury before they die.

As for conservatives, in real life, they try to convince me that global climate change is a hoax. I don't get this liberal vs conservative attitude. I view the world in terms of good versus evil. There are good liberals and conservatives as well as evil liberals and conservatives.
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