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Baptism at a young age

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 3/16/2015 Category: Religion
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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a_janis1

Pro

Often people will argue that performing a Catholic Baptism at a young age is an inappropriate course of action. I will argue that Catholic Baptism at a young age is perfectly acceptable.

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Betsy123

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Yes, performing a Catholic Baptism at a young age is an inappropriate course of action, because Why would you Baptize a baby? I mean that is ridiculous!
Debate Round No. 1
a_janis1

Pro

Here is why Catholics believe in Baptism at a young age.

Baptism at a young age makes perfect sense due to tradition. A long time ago, infant mortality rates were far higher than they were today. In order to ensure that new born babies would be saved from original sin, the Church implemented Baptism at birth (or soon after) to remove original sin. Even now, some infants will die. That is nature. So it makes sense to Baptize a baby even during the modern era in order to ensure original sin is removed. That is one reason why it makes sense to Baptize a baby.
Betsy123

Con

So, performing Baptism at a young age is acceptable because of tradition? I mean I thought Catholics believed on the Bible? The Bible does not say to baptize a baby. According to the Bible it states 'Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.' You see that the Bible does not say baptize babies. Also the Bible also states ' But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.' So, according to the Bible children have no sin, because they are pure and the only way you can go to heaven is if you have no sin. Plus babies, don't have the knowledge of what is right and what is wrong.
Debate Round No. 2
a_janis1

Pro

Baptism is, in part, appropriate due to tradition. But there are more arguments for the Baptism of babies.

Catholics do believe in the Bible, but not solely on it. The Bible needs to be interpreted by the Magisterium first. Catholics have faith through revelation (ie. the Bible and the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus) and through reason (i.e.. the Magisterium and Church).

However, just because the Bible does not say to Baptize babies that does not, by necessity, make Baptism at a young age inappropriate. Does the Bible say to Baptize adults specifically? No. Baptism can occur at any point in someone's life. Also there are three forms of Baptism which remove original sin. These are known as Baptism by water, desire, and blood. Obviously Baptism by water is the traditional Baptism in which the priest pours water on the individuals head. Baptism by desire is when someone who never had the chance to revive a traditional Baptism but wanted one is cleansed simply by a strong desire to love God and their neighbor. Baptism by blood is when someone who did not receive a traditional Baptism dies for their faith. These show how Baptism at birth is equally as good as a later Baptism. However, in order to ensure original sin is removed and bring children up in the love of God, Baptism at birth is the typical route.

Every human being is born with original sin by which a disconnect from God occurs. Now obviously this is not total disconnect such as would occur in a mortal sin. However, in order to strengthen your relationship with God and become fully connected to Him again, Baptism is required. After Baptism at birth, the child must reach the Age of Reason in order to sin. Sinning is knowing something is wrong and doing it anyway. Since a very young child does not yet know right from wrong, he or she cannot be culpable for his or her actions and is, therefore, innocent. Baptism at birth makes sense in order to remove original sin and, by doing so, fully re-establish the child's relationship with God.

Yes only pure souls without sin can go to heaven. But basically everyone who has ever lived in human existence has sinned. So how can anyone be in heaven? Well, a part of heaven is called Purgatory. This is basically the pre requisite in order to enter the Kingdom of God. Think of Purgatory as a washing machine for souls where we are all cleansed and then permitted to enter heaven. So if a baby dies but is first Baptized, that child is basically guaranteed a place in heaven which is a great thing. You can think of Baptism, in this way, as a safety net for the soul.
Betsy123

Con

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Debate Round No. 3
a_janis1

Pro

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Betsy123

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Debate Round No. 4
a_janis1

Pro

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Betsy123

Con

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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Betsy123 2 years ago
Betsy123
@stefy @Rezend Nice opinions :)
Posted by Stefy 2 years ago
Stefy
Baptism as a baby doesnt really give them a say. if the child grows up not to have the religion they were baptized into then they wouldnt really care. Itd be as affective on there lives as falling into a puddle.
Posted by Rezend 2 years ago
Rezend
I am against baptism because parents shouldn't have a say at their child's religion.
Posted by Stefy 2 years ago
Stefy
Yeah i dont get why its such a big deal. If the mid grows up and decides they are an athiest or another religion besides Christianity then they wouldnt believe in baptism anyway. I mean if you dont believe in baptism why would you care? I know people baptized as babies who grew up and converted or bwcame athiest and they dont give a crap. i mean are you going to go to not-Hell? Its just people whining about nothing.
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