The Instigator
Dr_Harvey
Pro (for)
Winning
29 Points
The Contender
lawyer_in_training
Con (against)
Losing
16 Points

Barack Obama does not have enough experience in the political office to be president

Do you like this debate?NoYes+0
Add this debate to Google Add this debate to Delicious Add this debate to FaceBook Add this debate to Digg  
Vote Here
Pro Tied Con
Who did you agree with before the debate?
Who did you agree with after the debate?
Who had better conduct?
Who had better spelling and grammar?
Who made more convincing arguments?
Who used the most reliable sources?
Reasons for your voting decision
1,000 Characters Remaining
The voting period for this debate does not end.
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 8/16/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
Viewed: 2,324 times Debate No: 5033
Debate Rounds (3)
Comments (6)
Votes (13)

 

Dr_Harvey

Pro

Less than a year in the senate, no foreign relations experience, no national leadership experience, he was elected to office in Illinois only after disqualifying his competition, and he lacks the time in the political office to see the long term effects of the decisions he's made. Barack Obama should not be president because he does not have enough experience to succeed in that office. My opponent must prove that Barack Obama's experience is enough to make him successful in the role of commander and chief.
lawyer_in_training

Con

Hello. MY arguments may sound very bad but well..what can i do ? (other then get better..)

Well you say that Senator Barrack Obama is in experienced and should not be president. I agree with you that he does lack experience but i do think he should be president. No matter how good your relations are, no matter how much, you've studied, or experienced you can still f*ck your country up. Anything can happen while your in power. People can get assassin ed , buildings can be blown down people could go wild anything! Like i don't think when George Bush was running for president he was expecting 9/11 to happen. It just happened because some lunatics are so against America. Look at George Bush. His been the president for how long and he's been getting to know foreign country's but even many of the leaders in Europe hate him, not America but because of the way he operates, the things he did. The majority of the world hated the Iraq war and still do. There have been so many wars way through out history but it keeps repeating it's self no matter how many times it happens.

What Barack Obama is experienced in is change. He's experienced in talking to the public, he can make people smile. He stands for change and thats what America and the world likes about him. He's changing things up, he smiles he makes people feel happy! George bush ( been in office for about 7 years i believe and is doing the exact opposite right now)

Im not sure what you classify as " No foreign relations experience) but from what i've known hes been around several countries now talking to leaders, and trying to solve conflict. And when Barack Obama had done this people starting saying " oh now he thinks hes the president flying around talking to political leaders." ( while it was the same people saying that he had no experience).

And the problem with politics is no matter how much experience you have people will look for flaws in you to get people to not vote for you.

Mind any spelling mistakes i made sorry.
Debate Round No. 1
Dr_Harvey

Pro

"I don't think when George Bush was running for president he was expecting 9/11 to happen."

Good point but irrelevant, George Bush still had experience making tough decisions as governor of Texas and time in congress. He oversaw executions, handled disaster situations, and managed one of the largest states in the union. George Bush had the leadership experience to make tough decisions, Barack Obama does not.

"What Barack Obama is experienced in is change"

What did he change? Can you give me some evidence of some great changes he has made in his less than six month career in congress.

"He's experienced in talking to the public, he can make people smile."

So is Dave Chappelle, Carlos Mencia, and George Lopez, but I am not voting for any of them for president

"but from what I've known hes been around several countries now talking to leaders, and trying to solve conflict."

With minimal authority, what can he do to solve any conflict with foreign countries. That is the issue, he is attempting to fix problems without having the authority to do so, he can't fix anything. Talking is great but what change has he effected oversees?

"And the problem with politics is no matter how much experience you have people will look for flaws in you to get people to not vote for you."

this doesn't negate experience. Your right but to embrace one of your suppositions is not neccesarily to embrace the other.
lawyer_in_training

Con

"He oversaw executions, HANDLED DISASTER SITUATIONS"

You are saying that George W. Bush has handled Disaster situations very well? George Bush new that Hurricane Katrina was going to hit and what did he do? He STAYED IN VACATION IN TEXAS. He had been given many warnings, it was on the news but what did he do just lounge around. Even after the Hurricane hit him and Dick Cheney stayed on Vacations. Yea this must have been a real tough decision to make .
Aswell have you not seen the US Economy drop? I could get into this but it would be too long and exceed the characters limit. The thing that went up was the Gas prices and the amount of money in Texas- Men Oil Companies.

"So is Dave Chappelle, Carlos Mencia, and George Lopez, but I am not voting for any of them for president"

When you made this statement you were talking about how i said Obama makes people smile. Well making people smile is a good thing. Definitely something George Bush and John Mcain don't do well. In fact most of Europe Hate Bush, the middle eastern countries, and parts of Asia. Lets be 100 % honest here. IF we were to have a vote on which politician makes people smile the most it would be Barack Obama.

The only reason your not voting for David Chappelle and those people is because there not running for president.( and believe me i know people that would)

When i said ""He's experienced in talking to the public" i really stand by what i mean. Look at George Bush he's probably made dozens of Speeches by now and i can't recall what speach it was but he was reading it off piece of paper ( i cant recall everything he said) but i do remember he was reading from a piece of paper ( a speech he wrote or must have read before going to the podium) and he read" blah blah blah QUEEN ELIZABETH EYE-EYE but what it really said was Queen Elizabeth "II" (the second). Some one to mess that up, even after all the speeches he has made really needs to learn his Roman Numerals. Obama's speeches have not been anything like that, they all motivate the public, prove that the US can recover and alot more.

"With minimal authority, what can he do to solve any conflict with foreign countries. That is the issue, he is attempting to fix problems without having the authority to do so, he can't fix anything. Talking is great but what change has he effected oversees?"

Obama and George Bush both tried to stop the Israel/Palestine conflict. The future Chief Commander of the United States and the present Chief. They both talked but Israel and Palestine are still fighting even though George Bush has a lot of power around the world.

Obama can and will be president of the US some day, it may not be this year maybe not even 4 years from now but he will be. Just look at Abraham Lincoln.

Now your turn ^^ Sorry if i made any spelling mistakes/ gramatical errors. Im sleepy right now..
Debate Round No. 2
Dr_Harvey

Pro

Dr_Harvey forfeited this round.
lawyer_in_training

Con

My oppenent failed to respond. I wish he had the time to because this could have turned into a good debate. Well hopefully maybe he can debate with either myself or someone else. Preferably someone else because i am not a American Citizen so i do not no all the laws , history, senators and what not.

One thing that i cannot deny is something bad , or something stupid is going to happen while Barack Obama is in power. I don't know what or how severe it is but i know something will happen. It's happened with all the passed presidents of the US.

Well anyways vote con if you feel like it. God Bless.
Debate Round No. 3
6 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 6 records.
Posted by lawyer_in_training 8 years ago
lawyer_in_training
People may not want him as president but i would want him as an uncle or something. John Mcain is scary.
Posted by emjayjohnson3279 8 years ago
emjayjohnson3279
I will have to say I do not think Barack Obama would be a good president, however experience has little to do with it the man in your picture, the best president of the 20th century had less experience than his predescessor jimmy carter. The presidency is like combat, we do not know who is truly ready for it. John McCain while not a moral person would be the better choice I think in real life Obama is probably a nice person, but it all comes down to who is ready to do what is necessary?
Posted by PoeJoe 8 years ago
PoeJoe
http://www.debate.org...

Read my comment (first one).
Posted by lawyer_in_training 8 years ago
lawyer_in_training
I never said it was his fault. I just said what he did (stayed on vacation) which is something suck a wise person would do right?
Posted by InquireTruth 8 years ago
InquireTruth
Hurricane Katrina only hit the levees with the strength of a category 2/3. The levees were specifically designed to withstand such hurricanes. Notwithstanding, there was a mandatory evacuation notice given. Hurricane Katrina was not George Bush's fault, it was bad engineering. Many people did not evacuate because (a) Hurricane Ivan just previous to hurricane Katrina never hit and residents suspected the same "wolf-cry," and (b)nobody thought the levees would fail. You might as well blame George Bush for allowing New Orleans to continue existing in its geographical "soup bowl."
Posted by lawyer_in_training 8 years ago
lawyer_in_training
Sorry wrote my arguement number @ like 12 in the morning so it may seem pretty bad.
13 votes have been placed for this debate. Showing 1 through 10 records.
Vote Placed by True2GaGa 7 years ago
True2GaGa
Dr_Harveylawyer_in_trainingTied
Agreed with before the debate:-Vote Checkmark-0 points
Agreed with after the debate:-Vote Checkmark-0 points
Who had better conduct:-Vote Checkmark-1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:-Vote Checkmark-1 point
Made more convincing arguments:-Vote Checkmark-3 points
Used the most reliable sources:-Vote Checkmark-2 points
Total points awarded:07 
Vote Placed by DoctrinallyCorrect 8 years ago
DoctrinallyCorrect
Dr_Harveylawyer_in_trainingTied
Agreed with before the debate:Vote Checkmark--0 points
Agreed with after the debate:Vote Checkmark--0 points
Who had better conduct:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:Vote Checkmark--3 points
Used the most reliable sources:Vote Checkmark--2 points
Total points awarded:50 
Vote Placed by kels1123 8 years ago
kels1123
Dr_Harveylawyer_in_trainingTied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:Vote Checkmark--3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:30 
Vote Placed by Bushido 8 years ago
Bushido
Dr_Harveylawyer_in_trainingTied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:Vote Checkmark--3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:30 
Vote Placed by emjayjohnson3279 8 years ago
emjayjohnson3279
Dr_Harveylawyer_in_trainingTied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:Vote Checkmark--3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:30 
Vote Placed by CP 8 years ago
CP
Dr_Harveylawyer_in_trainingTied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:Vote Checkmark--3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:30 
Vote Placed by apathy77 8 years ago
apathy77
Dr_Harveylawyer_in_trainingTied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:-Vote Checkmark-3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:03 
Vote Placed by Therightside 8 years ago
Therightside
Dr_Harveylawyer_in_trainingTied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:Vote Checkmark--3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:30 
Vote Placed by Labrat228 8 years ago
Labrat228
Dr_Harveylawyer_in_trainingTied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:Vote Checkmark--3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:30 
Vote Placed by USAPitBull63 8 years ago
USAPitBull63
Dr_Harveylawyer_in_trainingTied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:Vote Checkmark--3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:30