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Barack Obama is a good president.

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Started: 12/11/2014 Category: Politics
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Gabe1e

Con

10,000 characters, 72 hours to argue, 5 rounds.

Rules:

1. No trolling, please.


2. No debating in the comments.

3. Forfeit = Automatic loss, unless you have a reason, and come back to debate.

Good luck.
purpleduck

Pro

Barack Obama was quick to resolve some of the major issues the country had with Bush Administration, namely the war in Iraq. In his first few days in office, Obama issued executive orders directing the US military to begin withdrawing the military from Iraq. He also signed the reauthorization of the State Children's Health Insurance Program, or the SCHIP, which allowed to to cover an additional 4 million uninsured children. In March of 2009, Obama removed the funding limitation instituted by Bush on stem-cell research and has insured that it will be kept under strict government regulations.


Nevertheless, from this introduction alone, we can infer that Obama cares about the lives and welfare of the American people (Iraq, SCHIP) and promotes new and innovative science that has a high potential the improve the quality of life of millions, maybe billions, of Americans (stem cell research).


Economic Policy:

Bush left a massive and ,quite frankly, disgusting mess for Obama to clean up. Bush doubled the national debt, failed to find the WMDs he was so keen to find in Iraq, and sparked the flame of hatred towards the US all over the Middle East and the Islamic world in general with his extremely aggressive War of Terror program. Moreover, when Obama took office in 2008, America was in the middle of what came to be known as the Great Recession, which resulted from the crash of the housing market as well as US government housing policies.

In response to this economic crisis, Obama passed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, better known as the stimulus package, in an attempt to revive the economy. This program increased government spending in health care, infrastructure, education, various tax breaks and incentives, and direct assistance to individuals. Increased spending in health care ensured that the sick would remain treated in spite of the harsh economic situation, funds towards education made sure important programs were not cut, tax breaks increased consumer spending, and increased care to individuals promoted also promoted consumer spending and assisted the unemployed in the search for new jobs.

Obama also saved American automotive giants GM and Chrysler from bankruptcy, saving millions of jobs as well as preventing an economically disastrous domino effect, which would have involved the entire American automotive industry collapsing. They are alive and well today, and have resumed their status as economic giants, which by definition means more jobs for Americans. Obama also introduced the Car Allowance Rebate System, or "Clash for Clunkers", which gave the economy a substantial boost.

Throughout Obama's presidency, unemployment has dropped from a high of 10.3% in 2009 to 6.3% in 2014, and according the the Federal Reserve, economic activity is continually increasing. The Congressional Budget Office, or the CBO, has credited Obama's stimulus plan for the growth of the economy as well as the increase in the number of employed workers by 1-2.1 million people. In April 2010, the National Association for Business Economics reported that jobs had increased for the first time in two years. The Dow Jones Industrial Average was at 6547 when Obama first came into office; in 2014, that number rose to over 17,000.


To summarize, because of Obama's stimulus package, unemployment has dropped significantly, jobs have been created, and the economy is flourishing.

Domestic Policy:

The Affordable Care Act, or Obama Care, is one of the most heavily criticized health insurance policies in American history. However, most of these critics are Republican, which is rather ironic since Obama Care is heavily modeled off of the Republican health care plan, namely Romney's. Obama Care has covered 24 million previously uninsured people and has dropped the number of the uninsured from 18% to 13.4%. Obama Care has also been predicted by the GOP to a "job killer", but has, in fact, created more than 9 million private sector jobs. Obama Care has also disallowed insurance companies from withholding coverage not only due to pre-existing conditions but also due to errors in the application form. It also provides a tax incentive for small businesses to cover their employees, which can pay for up to 50% of the insurance cost. All in all, Obama Care has largely been a success despite the overload and crashing of its website, and has made medical insurance cheap and easy to acquire for millions upon millions of Americans.


Obama has also repealed the military's discriminatory "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy which barred homosexuals from enlisting. In 2013 the Obama administration urged the Supreme Court to rule in favor gay marriage in two important cases, that is, Hollingsworth v. Perry and United States v. Windsor and is the first administration to openly support LGBT rights. Obama has also brought the number of women serving in the Supreme Court up to three in the first two years of his presidency, one of whom, Sonia Sotomayor, is the first Hispanic Supreme Court Justice. In 2009, Obama signed into law the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, which extended the definition of hate crimes to those motivated by gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, and disability. Overall, Obama has created an environment of tolerance and racial/gender equality in American society as well as in government, the latter of which has been dominated mostly by white males.

To summarize, Obama's domestic policies have helped millions of Americans receive access to medical insurance and have created an atmosphere of tolerance and equality in American society and government.

Foreign Policy:

Obama has been criticized to a large extent on his handling of foreign policy, especially his take of the War on Terror. However, if one steps back and looks at the facts, we can see that Obama, in comparison to most of the past presidents, is actually doing quite well. Obama authorized the operation that resulted in the death of Osama Bin Laden, something George Bush Jr. failed to do. He has managed to do this while at the same time pulling troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan, which is quite difficult to do. Obama has also been criticized for ordering the killings of American citizens abroad as well as collateral damage resulting from drone strikes. There are a number of half truths in this statement that I will address namely:
1. These American citizens labeled very dangerous by the military and were doing things that caused them to be labeled as terrorist threats. In fact, their status as American citizens not only does not help them but hurts them, as they are now considered treasonous.
2. The use of drones has been heavily criticized, but it removes the human cost from these operations and puts American lives out of danger.
3. Obama is actually doing pretty well in terms of collateral damage. George Bush Jr.'s military operations has resulted in more than 600,000 collateral deaths. Lyndon B. Johnson and FDR in their respective wars are responsible for hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties. Obama sits somewhere around the low 1000's-2000's. I agree that's 1000 too many, but in comparison to other presidents, Obama is doing half bad in terms of collateral damage.

There have also been many baseless accusations that Obama is a Communist/Muslim/Socialist/Kenyan-Born/Gun-Confiscator/Former-Drug-Dealer. I well address these one by one to put these aside because quite frankly I don't want to waste my time arguing with ignorance. I am not saying that my opponent would make these claims, I just want to make sure that these trivial arguments do not resurface.
1. Obama is Communist: Whoever says this doesn't know what a communist is. Communism is the socioeconomic ideology that seeks to eliminate social classes and currency to create social order, or a utopia (as described by Karl Marx). The income disparity right now is one of the highest in American history. Morevoer, America does not have the best relations with some of the most prominent communist countries like Cuba, China, and North Korea at the moment.
2. Obama is a secret Musilim: Even if Obama was a Muslim, that does not mean anything in terms of whether or not he is a good president. Morevoer, most of the Islamic countries in the Middle East only use "Obama" when the word "Kill" precedes it.
3. Obama is a socialist: Again, those who say this don't know what a socialist is. Socialism is a socioeconomic ideal in which means of production is owned by the government, that is, the government regulates industry. In fact, America has been practicing a form of socialism since the 16th Amendment (Government can tax income), which has been deemed "Capitalist Socialism".
4. Kenyan-Born: Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate exists. Frankly, there are more interesting things to talk about.
5. Gun Confiscator: The 2nd Amendment which guarantees a right to bear arms was written during a time when owning a musket made you as equipped as the average soldier. Now we have weapons ranging from fully automatic machine guns to heat seeking guided missiles. I, for one, do not want Joe Schmo off the street to have access to these big guys.
6. Former Drug Dealer: What, because he's black? There is zero evidence for this claim, and I am honestly quite shocked that I see this accusation almost everywhere.

TL,DR: Obama is a good president because he has single handedly reformed our disfunctional health care system, promoted scientific advancements, created an enviroment of social tolerance, and killed Osama Bin Laden, all of which preceding presidents have utterly been unable to accomplish.


Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://www.chicagotribune.com...
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://foreignpolicy.com...
http://www.hhs.gov...

Debate Round No. 1
Gabe1e

Con

Thank you, Pro.

Rebuttals:

Some of your arguments were true, but some weren't.

"Bush left a massive and ,quite frankly, disgusting mess for Obama to clean up. Bush doubled the national debt, failed to find the WMDs he was so keen to find in Iraq, and sparked the flame of hatred towards the US all over the Middle East and the Islamic world in general with his extremely aggressive War of Terror program. Moreover, when Obama took office in 2008, America was in the middle of what came to be known as the Great Recession, which resulted from the crash of the housing market as well as US government housing policies."

Bush did leave a mess for Obama, but frankly... Obama has made it even worse for the economy. Obama has doubled the debt just like Bush... (you will see more in my argument) and the only reason he started the wars in the middle-east was because of the attacks on 9/11, which brought fear among Americans. If Bush hadn't done something, it would have shown weakness in the government. Also, Obama really hasn't done better than Bush in GDP growth rate, yes there was a recession in 2008-09, but George Bush brought America out of a recession in 2001, as you can see: (http://www.multpl.com...)

"In response to this economic crisis, Obama passed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, better known as the stimulus package, in an attempt to revive the economy. This program increased government spending in health care, infrastructure, education, various tax breaks and incentives, and direct assistance to individuals. Increased spending in health care ensured that the sick would remain treated in spite of the harsh economic situation, funds towards education made sure important programs were not cut, tax breaks increased consumer spending, and increased care to individuals promoted also promoted consumer spending and assisted the unemployed in the search for new jobs."

Barack Obama's unemployment rate average is terrible. His average unemployment rate for his WHOLE presidency has been 8.27. (http://www.truthfulpolitics.com...) This is more than any other president. The only one to come actually a little close was Gerald Ford. George W. Bush had a 5.27 which is nothing close considering your statement about Bush ruining the unemployment. Yes, he is getting the unemployment down, he is really hovering at the 6.2% spot, which isn't a good spot considering that some of the president's average on here are lower than that. He has created 3,000 jobs, I will give him that. Jobs are being created, which is fine, but you really can't blame Bush, because his second term he added about 2,000 jobs.

The economy really isn't "flourishing" considering his GDP growth is only about 1.9%, which has been low compared to the past 20 years.

"The Affordable Care Act, or Obama Care, is one of the most heavily criticized health insurance policies in American history. However, most of these critics are Republican, which is rather ironic since Obama Care is heavily modeled off of the Republican health care plan, namely Romney's. Obama Care has covered 24 million previously uninsured people and has dropped the number of the uninsured from 18% to 13.4%. Obama Care has also been predicted by the GOP to a "job killer", but has, in fact, created more than 9 million private sector jobs. Obama Care has also disallowed insurance companies from withholding coverage not only due to pre-existing conditions but also due to errors in the application form. It also provides a tax incentive for small businesses to cover their employees, which can pay for up to 50% of the insurance cost. All in all, Obama Care has largely been a success despite the overload and crashing of its website, and has made medical insurance cheap and easy to acquire for millions upon millions of Americans."

This whole plan is stupid and is an absolute failure. This is a too expensive policy to start with, it costed about 1.15 trillion USD, and instead of lowering the amount of money being spent, it could cause $530 billion dollars to increase the deficit of the US by 2021. (http://www.usnews.com...) Not to mention that Obama doesn't even listen to the people, when a poll went up to go back and change this act, 77% agreed with it, and they still haven't changed it.. Also, we might lose our current healthcare providers, (the people who can actually afford private insurance) because nobody will be paying for it.. they will all be paying for Obama Care, but people still say that Obama Care is "too expensive" for them.

"1. Obama is Communist: Whoever says this doesn't know what a communist is. Communism is the socioeconomic ideology that seeks to eliminate social classes and currency to create social order, or a utopia (as described by Karl Marx). The income disparity right now is one of the highest in American history. Morevoer, America does not have the best relations with some of the most prominent communist countries like Cuba, China, and North Korea at the moment.
2. Obama is a secret Musilim: Even if Obama was a Muslim, that does not mean anything in terms of whether or not he is a good president. Morevoer, most of the Islamic countries in the Middle East only use "Obama" when the word "Kill" precedes it.
3. Obama is a socialist: Again, those who say this don't know what a socialist is. Socialism is a socioeconomic ideal in which means of production is owned by the government, that is, the government regulates industry. In fact, America has been practicing a form of socialism since the 16th Amendment (Government can tax income), which has been deemed "Capitalist Socialism".
4. Kenyan-Born: Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate exists. Frankly, there are more interesting things to talk about.
5. Gun Confiscator: The 2nd Amendment which guarantees a right to bear arms was written during a time when owning a musket made you as equipped as the average soldier. Now we have weapons ranging from fully automatic machine guns to heat seeking guided missiles. I, for one, do not want Joe Schmo off the street to have access to these big guys.
6. Former Drug Dealer: What, because he's black? There is zero evidence for this claim, and I am honestly quite shocked that I see this accusation almost everywhere."

Well, I haven't heard of most of these, so I wouldn't really know, and I have never called Obama any of these, so this really isn't an argument.

I am going to run out of characters... so I can't rebut the rest, I only have about 2,500 characters to go.


Arguments:

The Debt

The debt is overwhelming with Obama. He has added more debt than all the 43 US presidents combined! [1] It might sound crazy... but it's true! He has added $6.6 trillion in debt, which is more than all 43 US presidents combined, which has a total of $6.3 trillion. Most of that did come from Bush, so if you take his debt out, you get about $5 trillion dollars in debt. This is an overwhelming amount of money, and our GDP can't even keep up with our debt! (http://www.usdebtclock.org...) Over 227 years, it took $6.3 trillion debt to add up, but he has added more than that much in only 5 years. This is only ONE term. It is pathetic.

Work Force/Unemployment

You talk about creating jobs and unemployment, well because of Obama's policies and acts, 11,472,000 americans have left the work force. [2] They have been waiting for jobs and looking for jobs, but really can't find any. Because of this the unemployment has increased .2%, so the unemployment is increasing by some. The number of unemployed Americans increased by 197,000 in just a month, too. The number of unemployed people have been increasing.

Food stamps

In 2013, a record high of 20% of households were on food stamps. This is the most in USA's history. Most people believe that policies such as the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, have been causing this. Why? Because the remainder of people from the act stemmed from other factors, such as higher food prices and lower income among beneficiaries, both of which boost benefits. [3] This is not good, we are giving out food for free, when most people need it.

Lies

Even Barney Frank admits Barack Obama lied to the american people just to get Obama Care passed and, he did. He promised that Americans could keep their insurance plans, that they could keep their doctors, and that Obamacare would save the average family $2500 per year. Not only were all of those lies, Obama knew they were lies when he made those promises.

Obama literally LIED to the american people's faces. He said talking about tax hikes: "You have 80 percent of the American people who support a balanced approach. Eighty percent of the American people support an approach that includes revenues and includes cuts. So the notion that somehow the American people aren’t sold is not the problem." This gallup poll says otherwise: (http://www.gallup.com...)

Most americans do not want tax hikes, they prefer spending cuts.

Onto you, Pro. Ran out of characters!

Cites:

[1]- http://cnsnews.com...

[2]- http://www.cnsnews.com...

[3]- http://www.washingtonpost.com...














purpleduck

Pro

First off, I would like to apologize for posting my argument so late. I have been very busy lately and I have been trying to scrape as much time as possible into writing this. I apologize again for taking so long.


Well, I haven't heard of most of these, so I wouldn't really know, and I have never called Obama any of these, so this really isn't an argument. (On the baseless accusations towards Obama part)


I didn't mean to say that you made these arguments. I just wanted to make sure that these arguments do not arise because I am extremely tired of hearing them. Thank you very much for being civil and not bringing these up.


Now onto the rebuttals!


The debt is overwhelming with Obama. He has added more debt than all the 43 US presidents combined! [1] It might sound crazy... but it's true! He has added $6.6 trillion in debt, which is more than all 43 US presidents combined, which has a total of $6.3 trillion. Most of that did come from Bush, so if you take his debt out, you get about $5 trillion dollars in debt. This is an overwhelming amount of money, and our GDP can't even keep up with our debt! Over 227 years, it took $6.3 trillion debt to add up, but he has added more than that much in only 5 years. This is only ONE term. It is pathetic.


Now this argument would be quite compelling if my opponent had remembered to adjust for inflation. $100 dollars today would be worth $3.77 in 1774, which means that the dollar has inflated approximately 2653% since then. This very fact creates massive room for error in the data given by my opponent, and as such we have every reason to be skeptical of its validity. Another flaw in this data is the fact that some presidents have actually paid off some of the national debt, which most of the presidents in the 1800's did. Andrew Jackson, in fact, paid off the debt completely. Now I find it quite unfair to use both positive AND negative trends when adding up the total national debt and then compare it to Obama, who, in 2009, inherited one of the world's worst economic crises since the Great Depression (yes, the 2008-2012 recession was global), a highly volatile tax cut plan, and two quite unnecessary and unpopular wars.


At January 20, 2009, the day Obama was sworn into office, the national debt was sitting at approximately $10.63 trillion, which is obviously not equal to $6.3 million. After Obama's first term, he had increased the debt by about $6.4 trillion. Now I will, admit, today, he has increased the national debt by about 90%; however, statistics do not tell the whole story, and they never have.

Lets look at how Bush used with the money he added into the national debt.

1.Looking for imaginary WMD's in the Middle East

2.The failed "No Child Left Behind" education policy

3.Cutting $1.35 trillion worth of taxes on the rich, which necessitates either cuts in government spending or raising taxes on the middle and lower classes. We know which one Bush chose. Just ask Warren Buffett

4.Mining for oil in the Middle East

5.A "Star Wars"(Ronald Regan, not Darth Vader) style missile defense program.

6.Domestic Surveillance

7.Getting involved in two very unpopular wars in Iraq and Afghanistan instead of funding the recovery from Hurricane Katrina


Now let's look at how Obama spent his money

1.Accelerating Stem Cell Research

2.Ending the war in Iraq and Afghanistan

3.Pulling America out of the most devastating global economic recessions since WW2

4.Repealing the heavily dysfunctional Bush Tax Cuts

5.Instituting Universal Health care, something which no other president has been capable of doing effectively. As said before, this plan has covered 24 million previously uninsured people. Yes it has its flaws, however, the pros far outweigh the cons

6.Created a Student Loan Relief program, which enabled college graduates to start fresh and immediately start pursuing their ambitions instead of entering their adulthood several million dollars in debt.

7.Promoting alternate sources of energy such as nuclear energy and attempting to reduce America's carbon footprint, which was and still is extremely heavy.


Now you can decide who spent money more effectively.



Barack Obama's unemployment rate average is terrible. His average unemployment rate for his WHOLE presidency has been 8.27. (http://www.truthfulpolitics.com......) This is more than any other president. The only one to come actually a little close was Gerald Ford.

Using Obama's average unemployment rate is hardly fair, it would be like calling a rich man poor because he only became rich during the last few years of his life and as such his "average wealth" is low. His average lifetime wealth doesn't change the fact that he is now rich. It is the same case here. Obama started out with a ridiculously high unemployment rate and has dramatically improved it. Moreover, his unemployment rate average is high because of Bush. The unemployment rate started skyrocketing in 2008 and continued to shoot up in 2009 and peaked at around 10.0% before it started falling. This peak is hardly Obama's fault, as it would be extremely difficult to raise the unemployment by around 4% in the first half year of his term. Had Bush stayed one more year, these unemployment figures would be his responsibility.


You talk about creating jobs and unemployment, well because of Obama's policies and acts, 11,472,000 Americans have left the work force. [2] They have been waiting for jobs and looking for jobs, but really can't find any. Because of this the unemployment has increased .2%, so the unemployment is increasing by some. The number of unemployed Americans increased by 197,000 in just a month, too. The number of unemployed people have been increasing.


Apparently you didn't read my arguments carefully enough. In 2009, the unemployment rate risen to a high of 10.3%. Today, it has dropped to 6.3%, maybe even less. A .2% increase is significant, but you can't just completely ignore a 4% drop and then complain about a .2% rise.

Unemployment is up NOT because of Obama's policies. If they are, please specify which one so I may research on that policy. We just came out of one of the most devastating recessions of our time, so of course unemployment would still be relatively high. Not every misfortune that happens in the US is the president's fault, sometimes it is due to circumstance.




In 2013, a record high of 20% of households were on food stamps. This is the most in USA's history. Most people believe that policies such as the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, have been causing this. Why? Because the remainder of people from the act stemmed from other factors, such as higher food prices and lower income among beneficiaries, both of which boost benefits. [3] This is not good, we are giving out food for free, when most people need it.


Food stamp usage is high because Obama has passed laws that loosen the criteria to apply for food stamps, namely Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, a program which, by the way, kept 4.7 million people out of poverty. Moreover, it is normal for food stamp usage to remain high right after an economic crisis has ended, there really isn't anything special about this statistic.


Also, "most people" is not a reliable source, and using it would also be invoking the bandwagon fallacy. Instead, use economic, political, or financial experts to make your case, as those people are far more reliable sources than "most people".


[3] This is not good, we are giving out food for free, when most people need it.


I don't quite understand what you're trying to say here. Everyone needs food, and the government is giving people food because of that necessity. Please clarify in your response.


Even Barney Frank admits Barack Obama lied to the American people just to get Obama Care passed and, he did. He promised that Americans could keep their insurance plans, that they could keep their doctors, and that Obamacare would save the average family $2500 per year. Not only were all of those lies, Obama knew they were lies when he made those promises.


Unless you can read minds, you have absolutely no way of knowing whether or not Obama knew that he could not uphold the promises he gave out to the people. Barney Frank is also (probably) not a mind reader either, so he has no possible way of knowing this. He is also infamous for telling the truth but not the whole truth, which is ironic for a guy who is suddenly obsessed with truth.



Obama literally LIED to the American people's faces. He said talking about tax hikes: "You have 80 percent of the American people who support a balanced approach. Eighty percent of the American people support an approach that includes revenues and includes cuts. So the notion that somehow the American people aren’t sold is not the problem."This Gallup poll says otherwise: (http://www.gallup.com......)

Unless I completely misread the article from the link, I'm pretty sure it's consistent with what Obama said.

"Americans' preferences for deficit reduction clearly favor spending cuts to tax increases, but most Americans favor a mix of the two approaches" -First line of the Gallup poll

"You have 80 percent of the American people who support a balanced approach. Eighty percent of the American people support an approach that includes revenues and includes cuts." - quote used in my opponent's argument.

Also, the federal tax rate is lower than it has been in decades, sitting at around 17.4%.


http://www.factcheck.org...
http://skeptics.stackexchange.com...
http://www.treasurydirect.gov...
http://data.bls.gov...
http://www.fns.usda.gov...
http://www.washingtonpost.com...
Debate Round No. 2
Gabe1e

Con

I have to forfeit this round. My mother is in the hospital and I cannot argue until she gets out.

If my opponent feels, he can add arguments or plan for this round. Up to the voters whether they want to take off conduct, I will be back in about 2 days or so.
purpleduck

Pro

I am very sorry to hear that your mom is not well, and I wish her the best.

For the sake of the competitive nature of this debate, I will, too, concede this round. I would have posted this earlier, but I wanted to give you as much time as possible to write your arguments.

Best wishes towards you and your mom. I hope she gets well soon.
Debate Round No. 3
Gabe1e

Con

Gabe1e forfeited this round.
purpleduck

Pro

*Sigh*

Hopefully you won't forfeit the next round, I actually enjoyed this debate quite a bit. But if you are still unable to, please do not feel obligated.
Debate Round No. 4
Gabe1e

Con

Gabe1e forfeited this round.
purpleduck

Pro

purpleduck forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by purpleduck 2 years ago
purpleduck
Thanks for the votes, and interesting analysis by the way. :)
Posted by Blade-of-Truth 2 years ago
Blade-of-Truth
Conduct - Tie. Con had good reason to forfeit, and Pro was kind enough to oblige. As far as I'm concerned, this was an excellent display of kind behavior. S&G - Tie. Both had adequate spelling and grammar throughout. Arguments - This came down to three main points - Economic policy, Domestic policy, and Foreign Policy (with a few additional points raised by Con later-on).

For the Economic line of argumentation, Pro poses that because of Obama's stimulus package, unemployment has dropped significantly, jobs have been created, and the economy is flourishing. Con counters this claiming that Obama didn't perform as well as Bush in regards to GDP growth with Obama's at 1.9%. Further, he argues that Barack Obama's unemployment rate average is terrible. His average unemployment being at 8.27%. Pro counters this by showing that it was high due to Bush, and that recently it's dropped due to Obama's efforts, this utiilized an average vs. recent comparison, and in my opinion successfully overcomes the rebuttal posed by Con.

In regards to Domestic Policy, Pro argues that Obama's domestic policies have helped millions of Americans receive access to medical insurance and have created an atmosphere of tolerance and equality in American society and government via the hate crime laws. Con rebutted by showing that the program was too expensive to begin with, and that Obama doesn't even listen to the people as evidenced by a poll showing over 70% support yet getting no results from the government in response. I saw no response to this from Pro. I'm assuming it was due to character limits but since this is dropped by Pro, Con takes this line of argumentation.

Foreign Policy-wise, Pro showed that Obama is responsible for the death of Osama Bin Laden, as well as pulling troops out of military conflicts in the middle east. I didn't see any direct rebuttals to this line of argumentation from Con. Thus I give this to Pro.
Posted by Blade-of-Truth 2 years ago
Blade-of-Truth
Con then introduces 4 new counter-arguments: Debt, Unemployment, Food stamps, and Lies.

For Debt, Con argues that Obama has brought on more debt than every past president combined. While this is a compelling argument, Pro effectively points out that Con failed to account for inflation. That is a considerable and important aspect that Con left out. For this, Pro wins this argument.

For Unemployment, Con argues that unemployment has risen by at-least 2% during Obama"s presidency. Pro rebuts by saying that Con doesn"t fully consider all the evidence given. Pro showed that, overall, unemployment has dropped and highlighted the importance of remembering that Obama was cleaning up the mess created by Bush. Once more, this was a sound rebuttal.

In regards to Food Stamps, Con argues that it"s at a record high of 20%. Pro points out that this is due to the relaxed standards put into effect by Obama and shows how Con relied on the bandwagon fallacy. As it stands, Pro takes this due to clarification and showing the faults in Con"s reasoning.

Lastly, in respect to the "lies" line of argumentation, Con claimed that Obama lied to the people and failed to recognize the results of the Gallup poll with an appropriate response. Pro responded by using Con"s own source against him and provided clarified context in that regard. Ultimately, Pro took most of these additional arguments. Mostly due to the fact that Con never provided any rebuttals to any of these due to family issues. With that said, Pro still takes two of the three original arguments, and therefore wins argument points.

Sources " Pro. Pro was able to show the faults within Con"s usage of sources. For that additional clarification, Pro wins source points as he was the one who corrected the claims given by Con while utilizing sources.
Posted by Gabe1e 2 years ago
Gabe1e
Yes I can, it's my rules. Anyway, thank you purpleduck, I will try to post my argument right away, my mom is feeling better.
Posted by Eli01 2 years ago
Eli01
You cannot say a forfeit is an automatic loss. That is up to the voters.
Posted by purpleduck 2 years ago
purpleduck
Thank you, good sir.
Posted by Gabe1e 2 years ago
Gabe1e
Yeah, it's fine. I'll still debate.
Posted by purpleduck 2 years ago
purpleduck
lol that wasnt really made clear o.o
but if ur still debating that's cool :)
Posted by Gabe1e 2 years ago
Gabe1e
I still will, however.
Posted by Gabe1e 2 years ago
Gabe1e
I cancelled this.. what the... I didn't want to debate this.
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Vote Placed by Blade-of-Truth 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: RFD in comments :) I'd love to see a finished version of this debate someday!