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Batman can defeat anyone when given time to plan

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tdude1196

Pro

Batman has proven over again that his intellect, resources (both in arsenal and in information), physical fitness and will can be used in combination with enough time to find a method to defeat any hero or villian
Sources: Batman Comics and games
emospongebob527

Con

Pro claims Batman can defeat anyone when given time to plan..............

I will name a hero that may give Batman a run for his money...... Just Kidding, Batman's getting his a$$ handed to him.

My Contender:

The Incredible Hulk-
Real Name: Robert Bruce Banner
Occupation: Nuclear physicist, leader of the new Hulkbusters
Identity: Publicly known
Legal Status: Citizen of the United States with criminal record pardoned
Other Aliases: None
Place of Birth: Dayton, Ohio
Marital Status: Married
Known Relatives: Betty Ross Talbot (wife, deceased), Brian (father, apparently deceased), Rebecca Walters (mother, deceased), Morris Walters (uncle), Elaine Walters (aunt, deceased), Jennifer Walters (alias She-Hulk, cousin), Thaddeus E. "Thunderbolt" Ross (father-in-law, deceased), Mrs. Drake (aunt, possibly deceased)
Group Affiliation: Leader of the new Hulkbusters, former member of the Avengers, former member of the Defenders
Base of Operations: (Banner) Hulkbuster Base, New Mexico, (Hulk) Mobile, but prefers New Mexico
First Appearance: HULK #1

History: Robert Bruce Banner was the son of Dr. Brian Banner, an atomic scientist, and his wife Rebecca. Although Rebecca deeply loved Bruce, who returned her affection, Brian hated the child. Possibly an alcoholic, Brian Banner was driven by an insane jealousy of Bruce for being an object of Rebecca's love. Brian Banner finally murdered Rebecca and was placed in a mental hospital. Bruce, a highly withdrawn, intellectual youth, was raised by his aunt, Mrs. Drake, and internalized his great pain and rage over his childhood sufferings.

Hulk's Powers/Abilities-

We all know that the Hulk could take Superman and Thor with his hands tied behind his back. We all know that the Hulk is the strongest person on Earth and beyond but he is a lot more than just strength. He has a multitude of powers and abilities:

Unlimited Strength
All the incarnations of the Hulk, except for the Grey Hulk, can lift approximately 100 tons when calm. The Grey Hulk starts off at approximately 75 tons. As the familiar old addage goes, "the Madder the Hulk gets, the Stronger he gets." During times of high stress or anger, an increase in adrenaline causes the Hulk's strength to increase dramatically. There has never been a limit shown as to the highest strength the Hulk can reach thus it is assumed it is limitless. The Hulk has shown many incredible feats of the years, including holding up a 150 billion ton mountain during the Secret Wars and breaking open Onslaught's armor when the combined might of the rest of the world's heroes couldn't even make a scratch in it.

Thunderclap
The Hulk can slam his hands together to create a large thunderclap-type concussive force. He has employed this for various reasons including creating a concussive blast to hurt enemies, to blow away gas or put out fires, or even deafen people.

Leaping/Jumping Ability
The Hulk's leg muscles are augmented so much that the Hulk can travel miles in a single casual jump. Jumping is the standard mode of transportation for the less intelligent incarnations of the Hulk. The Hulk has been known to make it into the earth's atmosphere on a single leap. Given the strength of the leap and the angle of trajectory when landing, the Hulk can create large craters and limited seismic activity when landing.

Accelerated Healing
The Hulk has probably the quickest healing factor than anyone in the Marvel Universe, including Wolverine. Wounds that would be deadly to most other heroes takes just a short time for the Hulk to recover. During a battle with Vector, he repelled all of the skin off of the Hulk leaving just exposed flesh and muscle. It took the Hulk minutes to regain the mass and be completely healed. During a battle with Speedfreek, he cut the Hulk's stomach open with adamantium blades. The Hulk had to hold his stomach to prevent his insides from spilling out. Within minutes the wound had healed, but unfortunately the skin had healed around part of the Hulk's fingers. He had to rip his fingers out of his stomach and allow it to heal again. It should be noted that during the transformation from Bruce Banner to one of the various incarnations of the Hulk and back, he gains and loses large amounts of mass. The source of this mass is unknown. The amount of mass transferred is dependent on the incarnation, such as the Grey Hulk has much less mass than most of the other incarnation.

The Hulk is immune to all known Earth-based diseases, including AIDS. He can operate under intense conditions for extended periods of time due to his body not developing fatigue toxins quickly.

Dynamic Durability
It has been stated that the Hulk possess a dynamic durability in relation to his increase in anger. Similar to how the Hulk gets stronger as he gets angrier, he also heal quicker and his skin becomes tougher. It is not known if the increase in healing and skin-toughening is related to Incarnation.

Breathing Underwater
The Hulk has been seen on the ocean floor a number of times and is able to breathe due to his body developing a gland which creates an oxygenated per fluorocarbon emulsion which fills his lungs and equalizes the pressure. He is therefore able to breathe fluid and avoid decompression and nitrogen narcosis.

Resistance to Mind Control
The Hulk has always shown an ability to resist mind control. This is probably due to the fact that there are multiple personalities residing in the Hulk's mind and a person can not control all of them at once as they offer resistance.

Unusual Mental Abilities
Bruce was always afraid of his father and when he accidently killed him, he blocked the incident in his mind. He still had a fear that his father would come back to get him so when Bruce turned into the Hulk, he gave himself the ability to see ghosts so that he could see his father coming for him. This ability has also allowed him to see Dr. Strange's astral form while others can't. Another mental ability related to this is the fact that no matter where the Hulk is in the world, he can always instinctively find his way back to the site of the original Gamma Bomb explosion in the desert. This was discovered to be caused by the spirit of the Maestro's remains calling the Hulk back so that he could absorb gamma radiation and reform.

High Resistance/High Durability
The high tensile strength of the Hulk's skin allows him protection from most modern artillery such as bullets, grenades, shells, and rockets. He can withstand concussive blasts, impacts from super-powered villians, and extreme high and low temperatures. He was once deep frozen by Ice Man for an extended period of time with no ill effects. He has withstood the vacuum of deep space a multitude of times along with the huge pressure of the ocean floor.

I will now let Pro provide his input, and see why he thinks Batman is truly "superior".
Debate Round No. 1
tdude1196

Pro

Given information on Batman
Real Name: Bruce Wayne
Aliases: Dark Knight Detective, various cover identities: "Matches" Malone, Sir Hemmingford Grey, etc.
Occupation: Multimillionaire Industrialist, Playboy and Philanthropist
Marital Status: Single
Base of Operation: Gotham City
Group Affiliation: JLA; formerly Justice League International, Outsiders, Justice League of America
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 210 lbs.
Eyes: Blue
Hair: Black
FFirst Appearance: Detective Comics #27 (May 1939)
Abilities: No actual powers, just a vast supply of resources, as well as being in top physical condition for a human, can bench press 1000 lbs and leg press 2500 lbs. Net Worth over 5 billion allowing him to purchase whatever is needed to create tools for him to use in defeating his adversaries. Utility belt containing wide variety of different weapons for different situations, but almost always are batarangs, grappling hooks, smoke screen, sleeping gas, gas mask, kyrptonite ring. Batsuit made of kevlar and nomex fabric with fire resistant memory cape that can transform into a glider. He has 12 masters degrees, and great intellect that is extremely useful in planning strategies and tactics, as well as in aiding in detective work. He has trained with the masters of many different martial arts fields, and has himself mastered several martial arts techniques. He is a master escape artist and can escape from any imprisonment given enough time. Batman is a master of stealth. As well his costume is designed to inspire fear and uses this against his adversaries with a combination of theatrical tricks to play with adversaries minds.

There already are 3 situations in which Batman could defeat the hulk.

1. Batman has technically already defeated the hulk in the 1970's Batman vs Hulk, Batman Defeats the hulk by dodging hulks attacks and focusing on pressure points to cause Hulk to flinch, he is able to lure hulk into a confined space and uses a mixture of smoke bombs and sleeping gas to knock out the hulk

2. Batman need only wait for Hulk to return to his identify as Bruce Banner, using stealth, he could sneak up upon Bruce Banner and knock him out with a sedative that would repress emotions such as anger, fear, sadness or rage.

3. In a battle with the actual modern hulk, Batman need only avoid the hulk (Batman's advantage is his intellect as well as planning, hulk is just a large brute) and use a sedative repressing anger through either gas inhaled, or need be it injection through the mouth or other ways into hulks system (Ear, nose) Result in Hulk being knocked out, or return to Bruce Banner

Now a counter argument could be the healing factor, however sedatives are not hurting hulk or destroying any part of him, thus his healing factors would not have anything to regenerate. And of course there is the possibility he can resist sedatives, but even if the hulk has the energy to be unfazed by the actual sedative, the repression of anger would cause the hulk to revert back to Bruce banner, at which point the sedatives could work on him.

2 situations in which batman could theoretically overcome the hulks abilities
1 in which he has succeed

emospongebob527

Con

On what premises of defeat are we talking?
Death
Unconsciousness
Agreement

Rebuttals-
"Batman has technically already defeated the hulk in the 1970's Batman vs Hulk, Batman Defeats the hulk by dodging hulks attacks and focusing on pressure points to cause Hulk to flinch, he is able to lure hulk into a confined space and uses a mixture of smoke bombs and sleeping gas to knock out the hulk"

The outcome of this battle may be true but if presented under different conditions would the outcome be different?

Would Batman be able to present enough sedative gas in a limited amount of time to create that critical knockout needed to revert the Hulk?
If Batman fails at this the Hulk would be unpredictable, Batman would have to get into the effective range of Hulk's thunderclap in order to sedate him correctly, Hulk's thunderclap has been documented of producing destruction related to that of a hurricane.
If Batman misjudges the placement of the sleeping gas containers needed to reach Hulk's breathing radius, although Hulk isn't prized for his intelligence, he is intelligent enough to know what smoke looks like and what to do when smoke obscures his vision. Hulk has been known in movies and comics to clear billows of smoke with his thunderclap. Clearing the area and perhaps revealing Batman.
Assuming Batman has sleeping gas designed to knockout humans and lesser superhumans, is it to brash to state that sleeping gas not reserved for a god-like abomination such as The Hulk would have a different affect on The Hulk, not considering healing factor, but considering the larger lung capacity, which may outlast the time it takes for the smoke to disappear, granted Hulk holds his breath. Even if Batman thinks one step ahead and sees that Hulk is trying to hold his breath to prevent from inhaling the sedative, he may attempt to strike the Hulk but since the Hulk has a longer reach he could easily pummel Batman---------------------------- Game Over! Dead Bat! Lolz :pppppppp $$$$$$$

"Batman need only wait for Hulk to return to his identify as Bruce Banner, using stealth, he could sneak up upon Bruce Banner and knock him out with a sedative that would repress emotions such as anger, fear, sadness or rage."

Above it seems you're stating Batman could avoid Hulk long enough to where the Hulk calms down and reverts back to Banner. Even though Bruce Wayne (Batman) is a master of stealth, mastering stealth will do you no good against a creature that also has the attributes of superhuman sight, superhuman smell, superhuman hearing. So even if Batman conceals himself in the most clever way possible, The Hulk may still be able to know where he is by smell, sound, etc......

"In a battle with the actual modern hulk, Batman need only avoid the hulk (Batman's advantage is his intellect as well as planning, hulk is just a large brute) and use a sedative repressing anger through either gas inhaled, or need be it injection through the mouth or other ways into hulks system (Ear, nose) Result in Hulk being knocked out, or return to Bruce Banner"

You say Batman's advantage may be intelligence and planning, the failure in this statement is the inability to consider Hulk's unpredictability and sheer anger....... Which may mean no matter how much planning Batman puts into the battle he doesn't enough experience against superhumans of Hulk's magnitude to know their psychological mindset, Hulk's multiple personalities and unstable psyche are too unstable and unpredictable for Batman to hinder.
And the second part of your statement above is answered in the first rebuttal, so there is no need to repeat it here.

There are a numerous amount of ways Hulk could defeat Batman:

1. Hulk could simply grab Batman and hold on to him, then jump into the atmosphere (outer space)
then hurl him towards the Earth, he would not survive the impact.

2. Considering how powerful Hulk is, he could simply take Batman and rip him in two.

3. Hulk could take one big swing at Batman with that mighty arm = dead bat

4. Hulk could use his thunder clap to stun Batman, then he could kick Batman with a force more than enough to kill him.

Another crucial thing to look at is how effective Batman's weapons can be against the Hulk.......
The high tensile strength of the Hulk's skin allows him protection from most modern artillery such as bullets, grenades, shells, and rockets. He can withstand concussive blasts, impacts from super-powered villians, and extreme high and low temperatures. He was once deep frozen by Ice Man for an extended period of time with no ill effects. He has withstood the vacuum of deep space a multitude of times along with the huge pressure of the ocean floor.
Given that the Hulk can withstand bullets, grenades, shells, and rockets. All of Batman's weapons would be useless against his skin.

Accelerated Healing
The Hulk has probably the quickest healing factor than anyone in the Marvel Universe, including Wolverine. Wounds that would be deadly to most other heroes takes just a short time for the Hulk to recover.
Another factor to consider is Hulk's RHF (Regenerative Healing Factor), any damage done by Batman's weapons would almost heal instantaneously. Again useless.......

http://www.incrediblehulkonline.com...
http://www.marveldirectory.com...
http://www.psychologytoday.com...
http://en.wikipedia.org...(comics)
Debate Round No. 2
tdude1196

Pro

Premises of defeat include any of the three, or being unable to fight any longer in general
Batman 's moral code exempts him from one (batman would not kill hulk because of his morality)

To your rebuttal, well yes. But that is a very broad statement, as there are an almost infinite number of different conditions, and not all conditions would benefit hulk.

"Would Batman be able to present enough sedative gas in a limited amount of time to create that critical knockout needed to revert the Hulk?"
Yes as defined by the fact that batman has time to plan, he has time to study hulk and figure out how much sedative would be necessary to take hulk down. Also so it does not become an issue, most likely due to batman having time to plan, batman would ensure that the battle take place some where enclosed and dark, such as an underground subway or a sewer system.

"If Batman fails at this the Hulk would be unpredictable, Batman would have to get into the effective range of Hulk's thunderclap in order to sedate him correctly"
Batman is able to handle himself very well against unpredictable opponents, as proved in his battles against killer croc, clayface, and the obvious joker. Batman would only have to get in range if the sedative was applied via injection through a syringe. However batman is more versatile. Should the sedative be in pill form, batman can equip a blow gun to and target hulks mouth when he yells in rage, Or of course he could possibly just simply throw it 'down the hatch'. Also, as seen in the crossover comic, batman could use a gas sedative. By staying within an enclosed area, and using a mixture of smoke screen and sedative gas, batman could trick the hulk into breathing in the sedative

As for the thunderclap, simple, Batman need only quickly get behind hulk, as the effects of the clap do not expand like a shock wave all around hulk, but rather causes damage to that in front of him. In a location enclosed, hulk may be able to thunderclap gas out of the way temporarily

"(sleeping gas) would have a different affect on The Hulk, not considering healing factor, but considering the larger lung capacity"
Again this is addressed in the 1970's comic and addressed by the fact that Batman can attack Hulks nerves. Watch at about 2:10 batman attempts to use gas on hulk, but hulk holds his breath. Batman in turn lands a strong kick into hulk's solar plexus, effectively knocking the wind out of him.

"since the Hulk has a longer reach he could easily pummel Batman"

By your logic batman could never defeat any supervillian that is taller than him. You fail to realize that while Hulks brute strength may come in handy to something large and equal to his size (or a slow moving and nagging god :P) but when compared to someone agile like batman, it simply won't work. Batman can easily dodge the hulks punches to get close enough in to land a blow and get out of range.

"Even though Bruce Wayne (Batman) is a master of stealth, mastering stealth will do you no good against a creature that also has the attributes of superhuman sight, superhuman smell, superhuman hearing"

Where are you getting the superhuman sight, superhuman smell, superhuman hearing?
But should I simply not have known of these powers
Batman uses a mixture of smoke bombs to hide both vision and smell, and hearing is as simple as throwing a sonic batarang down, or simply throw rocks to distract hulks hearing.

"You say Batman's advantage may be intelligence and planning, the failure in this statement is the inability to consider Hulk's unpredictability and sheer anger....... Which may mean no matter how much planning Batman puts into the battle he doesn't enough experience against superhumans of Hulk's magnitude to know their psychological mindset, Hulk's multiple personalities and unstable psyche are too unstable and unpredictable for Batman to hinder."

As I stated before, an unpredictable opponent is still nothing to batman, see any of the mentioned villains. As for the 'not enough experience against superhumans of hulks magnitude' you avoid the fact that batman has time to plan for the hulk. And secondly batman has fought many adversaries even greater than hulks magnitude, including solemn grundy (A villain that becomes stronger every time he is killed), Clayface (can change his shape and size at anytime) and darksied, and is the only recorded being to dodge darksied's Omega beam () something not even superman could do. As well, batman can detect an opponents next attack based on muscle movement, given hulks large attacks, this leads to some predictability when it comes to batman knowing what to avoid.

Now 2 of your ways in which hulk could defeat batman depend on hulk being able to grab batman
In the 1970s comic, hulk is able to grab him. You imply he can, and given batman's agility, and his time to plan, he knows to stay out of range except when neccesary. Even if hulk could grab him, batman is again able to target areas to essentially make hulk 'flinch', in this instance he uses a 'cup clap' to disorientate Hulk and thus let go of batman before he gets the chance to crush, punch, or jump with batman.

And if batman is launched into outer space (based on discussions hulk can only jump from sea level to low orbit, meaning there is still some present gravity, thus meaning batman would start to fall. Now when this happens, batman can free fall until the point at which he can use his cape to glide or parachute down to safety.

And Hulk began able to punch him has been addressed being as batman could dodge. Plus batman has survived punches from characters like superman and Solemn Grundy, both of who's strength is close and or equal to hulks, and in both cases batman continues fighting. Thus should batman be hit just once, it most likely would not kill him. And just to remind you, that is if hulk could hit him.

"Another crucial thing to look at is how effective Batman's weapons can be against the Hulk.......
The high tensile strength of the Hulk's skin allows him protection from most modern artillery such as bullets, grenades, shells, and rockets. He can withstand concussive blasts, impacts from super-powered villains, and extreme high and low temperatures. He was once deep frozen by Ice Man for an extended period of time with no ill effects. He has withstood the vacuum of deep space a multitude of times along with the huge pressure of the ocean floor.
Given that the Hulk can withstand bullets, grenades, shells, and rockets. All of Batman's weapons would be useless against his skin.

Accelerated Healing
The Hulk has probably the quickest healing factor than anyone in the Marvel Universe, including Wolverine. Wounds that would be deadly to most other heroes takes just a short time for the Hulk to recover.
Another factor to consider is Hulk's RHF (Regenerative Healing Factor), any damage done by Batman's weapons would almost heal instantaneously. Again useless......."

You're forgetting that batman isn't using these weapons also. He knows penetrating his skin will be hard or impossible, so batman's wont be using these weapons against him. Thus saying they would do nothing against him is meaningless. Its true but batman is not using them against hulk. Though you bring up the point that Batman could freeze him. As shown in batman arkham city, Batman gains technology developed by Mr. Freeze. Given time, Batman could adjust the concentration of ice that need be used on hulk to freeze him. And as you said it worked for an extended period of time, so thus hulk would be unable to fight and thus defeated.

Sources
-http://www.screwattack.com...
-Official Batman Encyclopedia
- http://www.comicvine.com...
-Batman vs. the incredible hulk (comic)
-http://batman.wikia.com...
-Various Justice League episodes
emospongebob527

Con

"Yes as defined by the fact that batman has time to plan, he has time to study hulk and figure out how much sedative would be necessary to take hulk down. Also so it does not become an issue, most likely due to batman having time to plan, batman would ensure that the battle take place some where enclosed and dark, such as an underground subway or a sewer system."

I've found a fallacy in your argument sedative gas is nitrous oxide:

Nitrous Oxide

What is it? What does it do?
Inhalation sedation, laughing gas, happy gas, gas, nitrous oxide, N2O-O2" this one has more names than any other sedation technique! Inhalation sedation with nitrous oxide (N2O) and oxygen (O2) has been described as "representing the most nearly "ideal" clinical sedative circumstance"
Nitrous oxide is simply a gas which you can breathe in. It has no color, smell, and doesn't irritate. It kills pain and it induces a pleasurable feeling. After five minutes or so of breathing in the gas, you should feel euphoric feeling spread throughout your body. It really kind of feels like a "happy" feeling. Some people find that there are auditory or visual effects as well. You will feel a bit light headed and often people get "the giggles" (hence the name laughing gas!).

How does nitrous oxide work?
The "laughing gas" used now is called N2O-O2, and contains at least 30 % oxygen. Usually, the mix is about 70% oxygen to 30% nitrous oxide.

Depending on the concentration and length of administration of laughing gas, four levels of sedation can be experienced (after an initial feeling of light-headedness):
a tingling sensation, especially in the arms and legs, quickly followed up
warm sensations, and
a feeling of well-being euphoria and/or floating
At a deeper level of sedation again, sleepiness, difficulty to keep one's eyes open or speak ("dream") can occur. Should nausea set in, it means you're definitely oversedated!
If you experience any unpleasant symptoms, let your dentist know so that they can adjust the percentage of N2O. During relative analgesia, you should stay within the first three stages. The "dream" stage means that the N2O concentration is too high, or that the gas has been administered for too long. This stage can be associated with side effects such as nausea and other potentially unpleasant sensations, including flashbacks. N2O concentration should always be gradually increased ("titrated") at each visit, because people"s tolerance can vary from day to day. If you"ve had bad experiences with laughing gas in the past, it is highly likely that these were due to improper administration and too high a concentration of N2O.

How is nitrous oxide administered?
The equipment used for delivering "happy gas" is quite simple. It consists of a supply of compressed gases and an apparatus which delivers the gases to the client. By turning some knobs and flipping on/off switches, the administrator can produce the desired mix of N2O-O2 in the desired quantities. Flowmeters and pressure gauges allow the administrator to keep an eye on the flow of gases.
The desired N2O-O2 mix is fed through a tube to which a nasal hood or cannula is attached. This hood is put over your nose. All you have to do now is breathe normally through your nose " bingo!

What are the advantages of nitrous oxide?
*Nitrous oxide works very rapidly " it reaches the brain within 20 seconds, and relaxation and pain-killing properties develop after 2 or 3 minutes.
*There"s no "hangover" effect " the gas is eliminated from the body within 3 to 5 minutes after the gas supply is stopped. You can safely drive home and don"t need an escort.
*Inhalation sedation has been found to be very effective in eliminating or at least minimizing severe gagging.

Are there any disadvantages of nitrous oxide?
*Some people are not comfortable with the effects of laughing gas (either because they"re afraid they might lose control or because it makes them feel nauseous " this is quite rare, though, and usually due to oversedation)
*If you can"t breathe through your nose (either because you"re a pure mouth breather, or because your nose is blocked), or you feel too claustrophobic when something is put over your nose, it can"t be used.

So therefore Hulk would not be sedated he would only get the giggles...............

"Batman is able to handle himself very well against unpredictable opponents, as proved in his battles against killer croc, clayface, and the obvious joker. Batman would only have to get in range if the sedative was applied via injection through a syringe. However batman is more versatile. Should the sedative be in pill form, batman can equip a blow gun to and target hulks mouth when he yells in rage, Or of course he could possibly just simply throw it 'down the hatch'. Also, as seen in the crossover comic, batman could use a gas sedative. By staying within an enclosed area, and using a mixture of smoke screen and sedative gas, batman could trick the hulk into breathing in the sedative"

Enemies such as the Killer Croc, Clayface, and Joker lack abomination........ They do not come close to the power of characters like Superman and Thor and The Hulk, they simply are inferior.......
You imply that a syringe would be effective against a creature who's skin is resistant too artillery fire........ It would not pierce it........ XD
And you say that a sedative pill could be properly aimed to hit the Hulk's mouth............. "In the Dark?"
That would be an extremely difficult endeavor for "The Dark Knight"
And I would also like to point out that no matter how much sedative gas Batman employs in Hulk's atmosphere........ it most certainly isn't a guarantee whether or not the Hulk will stand there and breath "in and out" in and out" on the potent gas........ The Hulk has one objective and that is to destroy whatever pisses him off.........

"Again this is addressed in the 1970's comic and addressed by the fact that Batman can attack Hulks nerves. Watch at about 2:10 batman attempts to use gas on hulk, but hulk holds his breath. Batman in turn lands a strong kick into hulk's solar plexus, effectively knocking the wind out of him."

It seems very illogical that an Olympic level athlete is able to knock the wind out of giant like Hulk who is able to withstand blows from Superman and Thor without getting the wind knocked out of him......
Resolution negated...................

"As for the thunderclap, simple, Batman need only quickly get behind hulk, as the effects of the clap do not expand like a shock wave all around hulk, but rather causes damage to that in front of him. In a location enclosed, hulk may be able to thunderclap gas out of the way temporarily"

And then what is he gonna do? Use some more of his useless nitrous oxide..........??
It seems the only weapon system you are relying on is your gas......

"By your logic batman could never defeat any supervillian that is taller than him. You fail to realize that while Hulks brute strength may come in handy to something large and equal to his size (or a slow moving and nagging god :P) but when compared to someone agile like batman, it simply won't work. Batman can easily dodge the hulks punches to get close enough in to land a blow and get out of range."

Logic refuted-
Hulk has superior:
Strength
Endurance
Agility
Durability
Size
Reach
Regenerative Healing
Planning doesn't do any good against the Hulk.........
"Though you bring up the point that Batman could freeze him. As shown in batman arkham city, Batman gains technology developed by Mr. Freeze. Given time, Batman could adjust the concentration of ice that need be used on hulk to freeze him. And as you said it worked for an extended period of time, so thus hulk would be unable to fight and thus defeated."
So what does that leave you with? Two weapons in Batman's arsenal that are effective against the Hulk?

In Conclusion,it is evident that Batman has superior intelligence and conduct over Batman but The Hulk remains superior
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by ObiWan 5 years ago
ObiWan
I probably would have gone with Dr Manhattan, I can't imagine a scenario in which Batman could get close to defeating him. But then again that might have made it too easy.

Batman vs Yoda would be a good battle.
Posted by tdude1196 5 years ago
tdude1196
Why do you think batman would use knockout gas designed for patients at the dentist? Instead of that meant to take down elephants or greater as mentioned in the comic? Using that logic doesn't work since this is a world were gamma rays turn a man into a giant monster of pure muscle.

But it was a good debate. Just disappointed by the use of only the hulk. Characters like Dr. Manhattan or Galactus would have been a much greater challenge.
Posted by emospongebob527 5 years ago
emospongebob527
Sorry I ran out of room in the round so I will post sources here:

http://deadliestfiction.wikia.com...

http://www.madisonfamdental.com...

http://en.wikipedia.org...
Posted by Maikuru 5 years ago
Maikuru
I agree with the Con position but Hulk wasn't a great choice. A god-like character would have been a more certain win.
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